Home | Pig day is exactly what Muslims deserve. The Islamic world respects nothing and that is what they will get back. The world has had enough and with in the law non Muslims are starting to push back. I applaud them. Islamic governments are fighting terrorist groups ONLY when they get attacked. They will not disarm Hamas or Hezbollah. So save the con, please. Islamic governments do not give a damn how many terrorists attacks occur anywhere else.
Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Thank you. Look, I've kept the posters here honest on several occasions.Originally Posted by Yala
- The story came out that the Holocaust was no longer being taught in UK public schools and I rightfully pointed it out as a hoax. A couple of teachers in a single school tried it and were repremanded. There was never any general banning of such teaching.
- The posters here said the Quran says to kill all the Jews. It doesn't and I'm still waiting for someone to even attempt to show where it does. Instead I've been subjected to "It doesn't matter." "What's the difference." The difference is it doesn't say that.
- The posters said that the Quran, not some ill informed sheik, but the Quran says that THE JEWS are apes and swine. It doesn't.
- The posters said that the Quran talks about 72 virgins. It doesn't.
I apologize for destroying those popular wives tales. I'm embarrassed if any Muslim believes them, which after so much repetition some of them must. I'm very, very sorry that there is a great deal of anti-semitism in the Muslim world. It doesn't make me happy that anyone wants to destroy Israel. Israel is the ally of my nation and it's destruction would serve noone including Arabs. It is pure ignorance to believe otherwise.
What is more ignorant is to believe that because I am not a right wing hawk, I hate America or Israel. I never heard of an America called a traitor for neglecting the environment or education or healthcare or energy conservation. But the minute we want to reduce the level of nuclear arms anywhere in the world outside of Pakistan and Iran, we're soft.
What's going on right now is McCarthyism, a witch hunt. That doesn't mean there are no witches or communists. Of course there are Islamonazis and of course they represent a threat to security. But like McCarthy, it's possible to pursue that threat beyond the bounds of decency to destroy people for the sake of destroying them, to silence dissidents in a totalitarian fashion. We destoyed communism, it should be noted, without McCarthy. And we will ultimately prevail upon radical Islam without resort to the rawest forms of bigotry and intolerance aimed at innocent people.
You feel you have to defend your co-religionists, I understand that. No worries. But sometimes you defend the indefensible. I suppose we are all guilty of that to some degree here.
Then I suppose you'll applaud the reaction to pig day and the reaction to that and any other sort of escalation. Two wrongs don't make a right. Rather than sending mosques back to the middle east, distinguish between what breeds terrorism and what fights it. Breeding bigotry on either side is a recruiting tool for terrorists. It isn't pig days but community interfaith efforts that fight terrorism.
IF (big IF) that's true, then almost all Islamic governments should be in the fight by now, because all of them have been destabilized by terrorism. If what you are saying is true then it cannot also be true that nobody is doing anything. They are.Islamic governments are fighting terrorist groups ONLY when they get attacked. They will not disarm Hamas or Hezbollah. So save the con, please. Islamic governments do not give a damn how many terrorists attacks occur anywhere else.
Well there are MILLIONS of Muslims who disagree with you.
Since Mohammad himself was a terrorist, you are wrong.
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
1.Look, save your nonsense for the liberals. ISLAM BREEDS TERRORISM and it will not change. Aside from the terrorism, Islamic law and the laws of the West CANNOT coexist in one country. Islam does not belong in non Islamic countries. I applaud Pig Day because it is WITH IN the law. You know, just like Muslims here in the USA, use our laws against non Muslims to advance their agenda. Well, now the tables are turning. Too bad.
2.IF??Did you just wake up from a coma? Hamas is NOT disarmed and Abbas "accidentally" gave the millions of dollars.
Hezbollah is NOT disarmed and the Lebanese govt has put NO pressure on Hezbollah to return the poor Israeli soldiers. Hezbollah also has seats in the Lebanese govt and control large portions of Lebanon.
The bottom line is the Islamic world has not changed, will not and is getting stricter. Let them stay in Islamic countries.
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YUSUFALI: For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from Allah's Way;-
PICKTHAL: Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah's way,
SHAKIR: Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are Jews did We disallow to them the good things which had been made lawful for them and for their hindering many (people) from Allah's way.
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YUSUFALI: For those who followed the Jewish Law, We forbade every (animal) with undivided hoof, and We forbade them that fat of the ox and the sheep, except what adheres to their backs or their entrails, or is mixed up with a bone: this in recompense for their wilful disobedience: for We are true (in Our ordinances).
PICKTHAL: Unto those who are Jews We forbade every animal with claws. And of the oxen and the sheep forbade We unto them the fat thereof save that upon the backs or the entrails, or that which is mixed with the bone. That we awarded them for their rebellion. And lo! we verily are truthful.
SHAKIR: And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.
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YUSUFALI: To the Jews We prohibited such things as We have mentioned to thee before: We did them no wrong, but they were used to doing wrong to themselves.
PICKTHAL: And unto those who are Jews We have forbidden that which We have already related unto thee. And We wronged them not, but they were wont to wrong themselves.
SHAKIR: And for those who were Jews We prohibited what We have related to you already, and We did them no injustice, but they were unjust to themselves.
A person who does not want to be dominated or killed by Islam and speaks out against the ideology is not a bigot. That would be like calling Jews speaking out against Nazism bigots.
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
Apes and pigs.
The whole chapter has to be read to understand it.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kora...V0&byte=158021
The subject.
9:1
A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
I.E. the pagans of Mecca. But if you don't believe it.
9:2
Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
Why go four months if this is a general prescription? Wouldn't it count for the whole year or for the whole of eternity?
9:3
And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
If this Surah is referring to Christians and Jews, why specify pagans. And if this dissolution of treaties is permanent, why is there an existing pact honored to this day and sealed by the Prophet himself? BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC!
(Also called 'Charter of Privileges': to the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai.)
"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."*
http://www.mpac-ng.org/special_featu...tscovenant.php
9:4
(But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
Not all treaties, even historically and clearly not all future treaties.
9:6
If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
And even in battle show mercy to those who ask asylum.
9:13
Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
The subject of the Surah, the pagans of Mecca. Not the Jews and Christians of the 20th century. People who violated the treaty of Hudabiyah and warred against the Muslims. Remember the Battle of the Trench??? Since when is a trench a symbol of aggression? People build trenches to staunch attackers!
9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Allah is the God of Moses and Abraham and Noah, the one who brought the flood and created the Earth. Do Jews and Christians believe in God and the last day? But pagans, THE SUBJECT OF THE SURAH do not. Pagans, the pagans of Mecca who worshipped many idols do not. Pagans, the pagans of Mecca who broke the treaty of Hudabiyah do not. Pagans, who threatened to expel Muhammad (SAW) from the Sacred Mosque (the area of the Kaaba in Mecca) do not. They were not JEWISH. Muhammad did not find an ark and a Torah inside the Kaaba. He didn't smash the ark, he smashed idols. They were not Christian! He didn't find a cross on top of the Kaaba.
9:36
The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a year)- so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are sacred: that is the straight usage. So wrong not yourselves therein, and fight the Pagans all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.
The subject of the Surah is the pagans of Mecca and all the Surah says to do is to fight those among the pagans that break treaties and that attack Muslims. SO STOP LYING ABOUT IT!!!
It says fight and kill all non Muslims.
KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
I cannot imagine where Muslims get all these violent thoughts from.
Like the Supreme Islamic Ruler himself.
Ayatollah Khomeini
Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies].... Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.â€
I am not lying, that is what you and your people do. Like YOUR religion allows.
Right here, STRAIGHT OUT. Accept Islam, pay extortion or die.
Book 019, Number 4294:
It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhairs and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah's Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah's behest with regard to them.
Here is the "defensive war" con of Islam. If you resisted he saw that as a sign of aggression or a threat and that is all it took.
THE MESSAGE OF THE PROPHET TO THE OMANI PEOPLE
Here is the text of the message the Prophet Mohammad sent to the Julanda brothers through the intermediary of his Messengers, 'Amr bin al-'As al-Sahmi and Abu Zaid al-Ansari.
"Peace be upon the one who follows the right path! I call you to Islam. Accept my call, and you shall be unharmed. I am God's Messenger to mankind, and the word shall be carried out upon the miscreants. If, therefore, you recognize Islam, I shall bestow power upon you. But if you refuse to accept Islam, your power shall vanish, my horses shall camp on the expanse of your territory and my prophecy shall prevail in your kingdom."
http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Muhammad/oman.htm
Why are you only posting about Islam? This site is about Israeli politics, not the Muslim religion.
I have to say you have a lot of nerve coming to an Israeli board and trying to convince them that Islam is not the problem. Even though 1400 years of history proves you wrong. They are surrounded by enemies and you, who has NO power in the Islamic world wants to get them to let their guard down. If you really believe what you post go tell MUSLIMS they are wrong. Go convince Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queada, Muslim Brotherhood, Islamic Resistiance, the President of Iran and the Iranian Mullahs, the leaders of Syria, etc. When you do that please let me know.
Have a good day.
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