No ideology has killed more people then Islam. Approximately 270 million.
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I kind of agree with you, but there are those (not muslims necessarily) who argue that capitalism has killed far more, because they include things like industrial deaths and deaths on the road in their calculations. it's a very difficult thing to quantify
Those are accidents though. I meant murder.Originally Posted by zimzum42
Welcome to the board.What is happening in Singapore?
Again, I agree with you! Didn't muhammed personally execute a number of people? Bit different from Jesus!
Singapore, well, not much. Plenty of activity, loads of people of different races getting on, but a very strange society, very very controlled. Not a bad place to live though, and very safe......
Yes, most people here know that.
Sounds interesting there.
First of all, if we don't even question your number, we are left looking at ideologies that have endured for 1400 years or more and that have spread all over the face of the earth. That just about leaves us with Christianity and Islam. Given Christianity's bloody history, the bloody total should not be far distant if it in fact doesn't surpass 270 million. 270 million here stands like the number 42 in Hitchhiker's guide, a figure for which we are not supplied with the method of calculation.
Communism could arguably be attributed to close to 100 million deaths in a much smaller timespan.
The ultimate killer of mankind may be the ideology that we live on a planet with unlimited resources. That may eventually lead to our extinction.
Andak,
ok, I realize that one of your techniques is to try to move the conversation in circles around what you said or didn't say. In that way, you try to throw people off from the main topic at hand, and try to distract them from your various lies, half-truths, and general deception. I understand that. So, rather than debate what you said and didn't say, everyone is invited to read the previous posts.
Getting back on track, we see that Barack Hussein Obama was, in fact, born a Muslim, and (in his own words) attended a Muslim school, where he studied the Quran. Yes, he later became a Christian (or Muslim apostate), receiving his new religious values from his spiritual mentor, the Rev. Wright, for 20 years, where he was SHOCKED to learn about the anti-American and racist sentiments of his church.
The trouble is that Obama's campaign Web site denies that he was ever a Muslim. That is simply a lie, as exposed by the New York Times and many other sources. To be sure, Obama has the right to belong to any religion of his choosing. This is a free country after all, and we have freedom of religion. But one must wonder why a presidential candidate is lying to the American people about his basic identity.
Moreover, as a Muslim apostate, it's undisputed that under Islamic law, Obama is to be violently murdered to comply with the requirements of Islam, which are certainly enforced throughout the world. This could be a serious factor in his presidency, if elected.
"All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon
I use that when people create strawman arguments from stuff I never said.
Why aren't you on about him denying he was a Catholic. He attended a Catholic school and prayed there and studied the Bible there.The trouble is that Obama's campaign Web site denies that he was ever a Muslim. That is simply a lie, as exposed by the New York Times and many other sources. To be sure, Obama has the right to belong to any religion of his choosing. This is a free country after all, and we have freedom of religion. But one must wonder why a presidential candidate is lying to the American people about his basic identity.
He's got a better chance of having his eye put out by a "terrorist hand tap" than of being violently murdered for being an apostate. Why don't you go stone Don Rickles for cursing like the word of G_D in your Torah tells you to?Moreover, as a Muslim apostate, it's undisputed that under Islamic law, Obama is to be violently murdered to comply with the requirements of Islam, which are certainly enforced throughout the world. This could be a serious factor in his presidency, if elected.
Leviticus 24
11 The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the Name, and cursed; and they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. 12 They put him in custody, until the will of Yahweh should be declared to them.
13 Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying, 14 "Bring out of the camp him who cursed; and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. 15 You shall speak to the children of Israel, saying, 'Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. 16 He who blasphemes the name of Yahweh, he shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him: the foreigner as well as the native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.
The only people this fear mongering is going to appeal to are people who would have never voted for Obama in the first place, the minority.
Some beauty contest. I think the wider point is that some problems are fixable and some aren't. Ever been to Africa? Equitorial West Africa? The leading cause of death there, is waking up and not finding yourself dead already.
If you think he is such a liar, why did you make him a moderator?
But why would they murder him if he serves their cause? Hezbollah doesn't like Jews but they wouldn't kill Finkelstein.Moreover, as a Muslim apostate, it's undisputed that under Islamic law, Obama is to be violently murdered to comply with the requirements of Islam, which are certainly enforced throughout the world. This could be a serious factor in his presidency, if elected.
There was a certain time, a few years ago, when the Religion forum created potential legal liability for me, as we had all kinds of bizarre racist incitement to violence being posted here (in violation of the RoR). Andak and the other mods were very good at cleaning it out. He was also the most knowledgeable about Islam, and the majority of the questions in that forum were about Islam. So, I knew that he had a personal interest and the knowledge to maintain that section better than anyone else.
Andak also represents the POV of articulate, professional Muslim PR people, which is very useful to see in action. At the same time, notice that when he is knocked off balance, we see the limitations of his abilities. I would rather debate the issues with the likes of andak any day, over 15-year-old uninformed Muslims, which are the usual people you'll find in forums covering similar topics.
IMO, the biggest cultural threat to our society is not from rabid foreign Jihadists, but from articulate, intelligent Muslims who know the lay of the land and know the PC buttons to push, to gain sympathy for their cause. So, I don't underestimate andak. I take note of his positions, and I also don't hesitate to call him on his different distraction techniques and deception, when it happens.
And, if there's something to be gained in terms of an understanding that will lead to a better coexistence, all the better.
I don't know. But it's a possibility, as was mentioned in the NY Times article I posted, titled President Apostate.But why would they murder him if he serves their cause? Hezbollah doesn't like Jews but they wouldn't kill Finkelstein.
"All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon
Newsguy said,
IMO, the biggest cultural threat to our society is not from rabid foreign Jihadists, but from articulate, intelligent Muslims who know the lay of the land and know the PC buttons to push, to gain sympathy for their cause.
100% true. Political Islam is more dangerous then potential suicide bombers.
More like he was raised in the US, has no idea of the incitement against Jews in the ME and actually believes the crap he is always on about, like Jews leaving Arab countries for "opportunity in Israel." Unlike other Muslim PR people, who are totally deceitful like CAIR, Andak (I think) believes what he says! And yes, I know he used to be a member of CAIR. Maybe he still is, who knows....
When he throws out the strawmen it's only b/c he knows he has no argument and is embarrassed. It doesn't have to do with "Muslim PR."
In any case, I wish there were more Arabs on here to say to us how they really feel about us. I prefer them to take their masks off. There was a guy named Khalid or something on here for a while, not sure where he went.
I have a lot of idea of the incitement against the Jews in the ME. I know what it's extent is and where it ends. Inshallah, my next trip to Morocco will include a visit to some of the Jews that remain there and some interviews in French or Moroccan. At that point, I'll be more knowlegeable than most of the "experts" that write on the subject.
How many times have I been deliberately misquoted? Most recently, on this thread, Newsguy claimed that I said that Islam doesn't stone anyone. I simply never said any such thing.When he throws out the strawmen it's only b/c he knows he has no argument and is embarrassed. It doesn't have to do with "Muslim PR."
You will never get Arabs on here because you are too insulting to them and too ready to ban them. The Arabs are self respecting. I have no self respect, so here I am.In any case, I wish there were more Arabs on here to say to us how they really feel about us. I prefer them to take their masks off. There was a guy named Khalid or something on here for a while, not sure where he went.
Make sure that you force them through the narrowest part of the street.I have a lot of idea of the incitement against the Jews in the ME. I know what it's extent is and where it ends. Inshallah, my next trip to Morocco will include a visit to some of the Jews that remain there and some interviews in French or Moroccan. At that point, I'll be more knowlegeable than most of the "experts" that write on the subject.
The Book on Salutations and Greetings (Kitab As-Salam)
Muslim :: Book 26 : Hadith 5389
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
So you simply support stoning. I wonder how can a guy sitting in front of a computer using Internet in this 21st century support stoning. You are a barbarian behind the computer.How many times have I been deliberately misquoted? Most recently, on this thread, Newsguy claimed that I said that Islam doesn't stone anyone. I simply never said any such thing.
Naik is a fool ,lair and a traitor. He knows a shitt about SanskritAll of which makes me laugh that Ali Sina, who is some famous scholar by his own account has gone from begging Dr. Naik (a multi-lingual scholar who quotes Sanscrit and Aramaic in the original and who has his own TV show) for a debate to posting against me. That's quite a step down IMO.
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