the role of the Red Cross?

[wellofvow]

Why do we not scream out at the perfidy of the Red Cross??? It appears to be openly and unabashedly obvious that the Red Cross was in collusion with Hizbulla over the fact that Goldwasser and Regev were dead.

I have a very, very big problem with the fact that a Red Cross vehicle transported the bodies, but did not demand to visit the "POWs", and so discover and then inform Israel that the soldiers were dead - and all this two years ago.

I suggest a worldwide refusal of Jews and those who oppose antisemitism to donate to the Red Cross, until they change their "gentlemen's agreements" (gag) with Arab governments regarding Israeli POWs and kidnapped citizens.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331024079&pagename=JPost%2FJPArt icle%2FShowFull

Jul 19, 2008 22:52 | Updated Jul 19, 2008 22:59
'There was hope until the end'
By YAAKOV KATZ

Until the very last minute before Hizbullah unloaded two black coffins at the Lebanese side of the Rosh Hanikra border crossing on Wednesday, IDF Chief Medical Officer Brig.-Gen. Dr. Nachman Ash was still hopeful that abducted reservists Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser would return home alive.

"Until the last moment there was hope," Ash told The Jerusalem Post in an interview on Friday. "There were preparations for the possibility that they would be alive and there were medical teams on standby at the Rambam Medical Center in Haifa. The moment, however, when we saw the coffins we knew there was a different ending."

Together with IDF Chief Rabbi Brig.-Gen. Avichai Ronsky, Ash was the officer responsible for identifying the bodies of Goldwasser and Regev after they were transferred to Israel on Wednesday by the Red Cross.

The medical and forensic steams stationed at Rosh Hanikra received the bodies and immediately began the identification process.

While refusing to go into details out of respect for the families, Ash said that the bodies were in "poor condition" due to the way they were preserved by Hizbullah since the kidnapping two years ago.

"The bodies were not kept in refrigeration and appeared to have been buried only part of the time," Ash said.

Due to the state of the bodies, the identification process took several hours.

"It was clear that the identification process would be difficult and it was uncertain if we would succeed in identifying the soldiers based on what we had at Rosh Hanikra," he said.

In the end, the bodies were positively identified by using an advanced image radar machine that matched the soldiers' teeth.

On Sunday, Ash will receive the chief pathologist's final report on the cause of death, although from the initial examination, which he participated in, both appeared to have been killed in the attack against their convoy, during which their bodies were taken by Hizbullah on July 12, 2006.

Goldwasser suffered a fatal wound to the chest by an RPG and Regev was shot in the head, likely while trying to escape the burning Hummer jeep.

While he has seen many complicated cases throughout his military career, Ash said that the identification of Goldwasser and Regev was uniquely difficult.

"I have seen many hard cases over the years but here, it wasn't easy emotionally, particularly due to the lost hope and the state of the bodies," he said. "There were many experienced people there and it was hard for everyone."

[dayag]

This does not surprise me in the least. The Red Cross has always been anti-Israel. They have multiple symbols worldwide including crosses, crescents, and others, but refused to accept Magen David Adom's use of a red star of David.

[wellofvow]

This does not surprise me in the least. The Red Cross has always been anti-Israel. They have multiple symbols worldwide including crosses, crescents, and others, but refused to accept Magen David Adom's use of a red star of David.

With all respect, this is antisemitism, not anti-Israel. Too much of a stench of the Jews being sub-human, not deserving the services and whatnot of the lofty Red Cross....

[dayag]

With all respect, this is antisemitism, not anti-Israel. Too much of a stench of the Jews being sub-human, not deserving the services and whatnot of the lofty Red Cross....

They are not exactly the same, but there is a lot of overlap between anti-Israelism and anti-Semitism.

Further research shows that the Magen David Adom is now recognized by the International Red Cross since June 2006.

[Yala]

They are not exactly the same, but there is a lot of overlap between anti-Israelism and anti-Semitism.

Further research shows that the Magen David Adom is now recognized by the International Red Cross since June 2006.

No, they are only allowed to use the "Red Crystal" outside of Israel and may or may not, depending on circumstances and location, place the Magen David inside the crystal. It is all anti-Semitic nonsense.

[KettleWhistle]

To be fair, there were repeated requests that the Red Cross be allowed to visit the captives. These requests were all refused by Hezbolla.

The issue of including Magen David Adom in the international Red Cross is more controversial than that. It is an example of anti-Semitism--Muslim anti-Semitism that is. The rest of the Red Cross is really just indifferent, but for decades they felt that losing access and cooperation of the Muslim world and their third-worldist cronies in places like Africa where RC does much of their work would've devastated the organization.

With all respect, this is antisemitism, not anti-Israel.

What's the difference? Is the idea that Jews should not have homeland, sovereignty, or that our lives in our homeland should be made miserable somehow not anti-Semitic?

[wellofvow]

So how much money do Jews, say, in the States or France or Australia etc. donate to the international Red Cross (as opposed to directly to Magen David Adom) because they have liberal views and want to help the poor people of China after their earthquakes, Thailand after their tsunamis, and so on?

All I'm trying to say here is that these generous, liberal Jews should be told - as in shouted from the rooftops - that branches of the Red Cross operate in countries that beg for the services of the RC, but have no intention of honoring other purviews of the RC, e.g., visiting prisoners.

Two things: (1) donations to the RC should be withheld until the RC demands compliance to ALL objectives of the RC; (2) the RC should refuse their services to countries or entities that refuse to comply to ALL objectives of the RC.

Why should we continue to allow terrorists a free pass via the Red Cross? If they had radioed to their Israeli counterparts that the "prisoners" Goldwasser and Regev were long-dead and that only the ill-treated remains were being loaded into their Red ross vehicle, we would have punctured Hizbulla's evil PR show of shoving out the caskets - it would have been on radio and TV, and we would have been expecting it - and perhaps even asking our deranged PM why he was giving them back Kuntar.....

[KettleWhistle]

Actually, the red crystal logo, into which Jews can add Magen David was pretty much forced upon IRCRC by the American Red Cross, when they withheld their dues.

Regarding the bodies of these soldiers, RC was obligated to maintain neutrality. It has nothing to do with the Muslim anti-Semitism that until 2006 prevented MDA from being recognized as full and equal member of the IRCRC. As for having Magen David recognized as an official symbol, that's a whole other issue, and personally, I would agree that it either should not be allowed as an official sign, or they should allow any nation's symbol to be used as an official sign.

Personally, I never donate blood or anything else to the American Red Cross because it is a corrupt organization that transformed itself into a blood products dealer. They take your blood for free and then sell it to the hospitals at market prices. No, thanks, I'll just donate directly to the hospitals if need be. And also, I strongly discourage anyone from donating to the MDA because they provide assistance to the Arabs and even to the injured terrorists.