Muslims urinate on Torah.

[varian]

From last week. So much for the so called Muslim respect of Hebrew prophets and patriarchs. Ramadan is definitely not the season of reason!!! It must be a Muslim thing, the rest of the world just wouldn't understand.


Sunday, September 07, 2008 Israel Today Staff
Muslims urinate on Torah scrolls in Hebron

Jewish worshippers returning to Hebron's Cave of the Patriarchs after Muslims were given exclusive access to the holy site at the weekend reported that the cabinet containing their Torah scrolls had been urinated on.

One Jewish resident of Hebron told Israel National News that he and several other men had to move the cabinet to another part of the room because of the strong smell of urine in the area where it is usually positioned.

Additionally, green Hamas flags were found placed in the windows that mark the burial sites of Abraham, Isaac, Sara, Rebecca and Leah.

The Cave of the Patriarchs is split into Jewish and Muslim sections, as both groups revere Abraham.

Several times a year, the holy site is given over to one or the other group exclusively to mark special holy days. Muslims were given exclusive access to the Cave of the Patriarchs on Friday to mark their holy month of Ramadan.

Another Jewish resident of Hebron said that some damage to Jewish religious articles or the Jewish side of the site is found every time the Muslims take over.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default...=178&nid=17101

Emphasis by poster. v

[ygalg1]

impossible that islamists will do that. Muhammad mentioned in the Torah and you know how much they loved Muhammad. that would be pissing on Muhammad himself.

[andak01]

Unspeakably bad.

[bararallu]

Expect 100 dead Muslims/Arabs across the world....NOT.

[andak01]

Expect 100 dead Muslims/Arabs across the world....NOT.

You're right. Next time Israel bombs Lebanon or Iran, it'll be more like 10,000 if they're lucky. And we'll be told that any civilian death in Gaza (ten times higher as of today) is totally excused because of this incident. The many will be severely punished because of the crimes of the few. Deaths will be justified because of that foul act.

[bararallu]

You're right. Next time Israel bombs Lebanon or Iran, it'll be more like 10,000 if they're lucky. And we'll be told that any civilian death in Gaza (ten times higher as of today) is totally excused because of this incident. The many will be severely punished because of the crimes of the few. Deaths will be justified because of that foul act.

Who exactly is going to tell us that? The Israeli govt?

[ShimonG]

You're right. Next time Israel bombs Lebanon or Iran, it'll be more like 10,000 if they're lucky. And we'll be told that any civilian death in Gaza (ten times higher as of today) is totally excused because of this incident. The many will be severely punished because of the crimes of the few. Deaths will be justified because of that foul act.

This from a man who justifies rape and slitting hindu throats as "just war." That such unspeakable evil is still allowed to infest this forum speaks volumes of our own dhimmitude.

Of course, moslems are free to indulge in savagery, bestiality, rape, murder and theft of the kaffir. that's halal in islam.

[scattergood]

This from a man who justifies rape and slitting hindu throats as "just war." That such unspeakable evil is still allowed to infest this forum speaks volumes of our own dhimmitude.

Of course, moslems are free to indulge in savagery, bestiality, rape, murder and theft of the kaffir. that's halal in islam.

You are right ShimonG, Andak hasn't changed his ways at all. Firstly the comparison he was trying to refute was the scores of people murdered in response to the Danish Cartoons compared to the lack of any violent response to Muslims urinating on the Torah.

Muslim reaction to free speech = riots and murders
Jewish reaction to vadalism and the destruction of religous private property = none.

But somehow in his endlessly weird world, Israel reacting to an invasion of their sovereign territory is to be brought up into the debate.

Further, his slimey behavior is evidenced in his signature, AGAIN. Here is the subsequent paragraph from the very source he provides stating that McCain supports talking to Hamas, which is a two year old quote:

The McCain campaign today issued this response: “There should be no confusion, John McCain has always believed that serious engagement would require mandatory conditions and Hamas must change itself fundamentally -– renounce violence, abandon its goal of eradicating Israel and accept a two state solution. John McCain’s position is clear and has always been clear, the President of the United States should not unconditionally meet with leaders of Iran, Hamas or Hezbollah. Barack Obama has made his position equally clear, and has pledged to meet unconditionally with Iran’s leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the leaders of other rogue regimes, which shows incredibly dangerous and weak judgment,” Tucker Bounds, a campaign spokesman, said in a statement.

So, as always the sleazy, lying, half truths that come out of his keyboard are shown for what they are, mainly by his own sources.

[ShimonG]

Yeah, i wonder what'd happen if we returned the favor.

http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=242...=33&cg=4&mset=

...Maghraoui said that at the age of nine, girls are capable of marriage, just like Aisha was when the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) married her.

[second_coming]

You're right. Next time Israel bombs Lebanon or Iran, it'll be more like 10,000 if they're lucky. And we'll be told that any civilian death in Gaza (ten times higher as of today) is totally excused because of this incident. The many will be severely punished because of the crimes of the few. Deaths will be justified because of that foul act.

Next time that one of your muslim f---ing brothers bitches about a koran being flushed down the toilet, remind him of this shyte.

[Mediocrates]

Yes people are more or less monsters. No real need to add to it.

[andak01]

Muslim reaction to free speech = riots and murders
Jewish reaction to vadalism and the destruction of religous private property = none.

I don't see that it is none. If that were so then this would become a headline for what I'm guessing will be three to four years. We'll be hearing about this vandalism on blog after blog after blog until bombs drop on Iran and nobody cares about civilian casualties and Lebanon gets made into a parking lot and nobody cares. Tell yourself there is no reaction. Those repulsive vandals will be responsible for the deaths of thousands.

But somehow in his endlessly weird world, Israel reacting to an invasion of their sovereign territory is to be brought up into the debate.

That was NEVER up for debate. I've repeatedly acknowledged Israel's right to defend their territory against attack and I have repeatedly acknowledged that some collateral damage is acceptable. So don't bring out that old chestnut again. It's tired.

As for the McCain quote, it's exemplary of the total hypocrisy of the rightwing press, that they cruxify Obama for having ever stated that a dialogue should be created with Iran while omitting the fact that McCain called for a dialogue with Hamas. The fighting rules are clear. EVERYTHING McCain ever did is up on the table as much as EVERYTHING Obama ever did from the time he was six is being dragged out. So if Obama's visit to Ayers home can be dredged up on a daily basis, so can McCain's involvement with Keating and his lousy treatment of his first wife.

[Rob]

I don't see that it is none. If that were so then this would become a headline for what I'm guessing will be three to four years. We'll be hearing about this vandalism on blog after blog after blog until bombs drop on Iran and nobody cares about civilian casualties and Lebanon gets made into a parking lot and nobody cares. Tell yourself there is no reaction. Those repulsive vandals will be responsible for the deaths of thousands.

This urinating is hardly news in Israel. Nobody pays attention to it.

[scattergood]

I don't see that it is none. If that were so then this would become a headline for what I'm guessing will be three to four years. We'll be hearing about this vandalism on blog after blog after blog until bombs drop on Iran and nobody cares about civilian casualties and Lebanon gets made into a parking lot and nobody cares. Tell yourself there is no reaction. Those repulsive vandals will be responsible for the deaths of thousands.

That was NEVER up for debate. I've repeatedly acknowledged Israel's right to defend their territory against attack and I have repeatedly acknowledged that some collateral damage is acceptable. So don't bring out that old chestnut again. It's tired.

And the hits keep on coming. To you the spoken, non violent complaint in reaction to the vandalism is the same as the violent reaction to the violation of the sovereignty of a state. I would have thought your ability to conduct logic and rational thought might have been improved in the time I wasn't posting, but it seems it is still stuck somewhere in lower elementary school.

As for Lebanon being turned into a parking lot, why don't you complain about Hezbollah's attacks on their own citizens, the Lebanese Army, the keeping of human shields, etc. Oh, that's right, because it doesn't fit into your 'Israel has a right to defend herself, as long as nobody gets hurt' narrative.

As for the McCain quote, it's exemplary of the total hypocrisy of the rightwing press, that they cruxify Obama for having ever stated that a dialogue should be created with Iran while omitting the fact that McCain called for a dialogue with Hamas. The fighting rules are clear. EVERYTHING McCain ever did is up on the table as much as EVERYTHING Obama ever did from the time he was six is being dragged out. So if Obama's visit to Ayers home can be dredged up on a daily basis, so can McCain's involvement with Keating and his lousy treatment of his first wife.

And you don't even know when to stop do you? Here is even more from YOUR VERY SOURCE about the Hamas issue:

UPDATE: The McCain campaign this evening accused Rubin of lying, releasing a video that shows McCain's response to a follow-up question that Rubin didn't include.

Rubin asked, "So should the United States be dealing with that new reality through normal diplomatic contacts to get the job done for the United States?”

McCain replied, "I think the United States should take a step back, see what they do when they form their government, see what their policies are, and see the ways that we can engage with them, and if there aren’t any, there may be a hiatus. But I think part of the relationship is going to be dictated by how Hamas acts, not how the United States acts."

"John McCain absolutely did not advocate unconditional engagement with Hamas. Indeed, Rubin conveniently cut off his follow-up question to which McCain was clear that any engagement with Hamas would be conditioned on their actions and policies -- that any actions would be 'dictated by how Hamas acts, not how the United States acts,' " said the campaign's statement.

So what we really have is you quoting a scuzzy source about McCain,which take his comments out of context and twist them, and they say, 'hey whay can't we debate these comments'. It is stupidity and hypocrisy of the highest order.

As to other debates, we can of course have them. But if you think relationships are easy to maintain after being in prison for five years and tortured on a regular basis, that's a great argument to make. It is kind of like the Obama campaign blasting McCain for not being on the Internet while not knowing he can't type because of injuries suffered while being tortured.

As for the Keating issue, we have dealt with this ad naseum. But as always, facts aren't facts to you. Here is the summary of McCain's involvement:

[edit] Glenn and McCain: cleared of impropriety but criticized for poor judgment
The Senate Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of Glenn in the scheme was minimal, and the charges against him were dropped.[24] He was only criticized by the Committee for "poor judgment."[27]

The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[25][24] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."[28] On his Keating Five experience, McCain has said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[6]

Several accounts of the controversy contend that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target.[29][30][31][11] Glenn's inclusion in the investigation has been attributed to Republicans who were angered by the inclusion of McCain, as well as committee members who thought that dropping Glenn (and McCain) would make it look bad for the remaining three Democratic Senators.[29][31] Democrat Robert S. Bennett, who was the special investigator during the scandal, suggested to the Senate Ethics Committee that it pursue charges against neither McCain nor Glenn, saying of McCain, "that there was no evidence against him."[30] The Vice Chairman of the Ethics Committee, Senator Warren Rudman of New Hampshire, agreed with Bennett, but the Chairman, Senator Howell Heflin of Alabama, did not agree.[11]

Regardless of the level of their involvement, both senators were greatly affected by it. McCain would write in 2002 that attending the two April 1987 meetings was "the worst mistake of my life".[32] Glenn has described the Senate Ethics Committee investigation as the low point of his life.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

So a cleared man who recognizes his mistakes is worthy of your ridicule. But Obama, who continues to lie, obfuscate and refuse to answer questions isn't. Nice.

[andak01]

So a cleared man who recognizes his mistakes is worthy of your ridicule. But Obama, who continues to lie, obfuscate and refuse to answer questions isn't. Nice.

Obama never had to be cleared, because there wasn't enough evidence of anything he did that was wrong enough even to merit an investigation. So if McCain is cleared of Keating, Obama is doubly cleared of Resko.