Obama Concealed Terrorist Ties

[Mil]

Posted by Newsguy:

Yes, he believes in Socialism and wants America to be a Socialist country.

I don't think he is a socialist and would want to live in a socialist country. And it's not the reason he voted for Obama.

He's also a fundamentalist Muslim.

I really doubt that.

Those two reasons make him a natural Obama supporter. Why work for your money when President Hussein Obama promises to steal it from other Americans and give it to you?

I doubt he cares much for global warming or socialism (which he does not understand), gay marriage and he is definitely not pro-choice.... Socially he is a lot more closer to the Republicans.

He simply does not like Bush and the Republicans whom he sees as bad for himself - being a Muslim and supporter of Arab causes. And Obama has an appealing Muslim streak to him. It's not very much off of why we vote for people who support Israel or who themselves are Jewish. It's a matter of what you consider to be a just cause. He says that because a few Jews in Israel cried for a Moroccan king Morocco is a good Monarchy ( a place where Papa left a country to his son). We say that a Liberal Democratic Institution, where leaders actually change every few years, which lived through 5 conventional wars with its Totalitarian neighbors deserve our support.

It's a matter of morals and has nothing to do with religion - but the political brainwashing happens in Muslim community all the time. I personally know Muslims who have different morals and understanding of the world around them. Even here - our Turkish posters have a completely different outlook on things then our own friend Andak.

[Mil]

You're probably right that there is a high rate of support for Obama among the Reform, as you say, but I would repeat that basically no Jews with whom I'm familiar voted for Obama, except for a handful. So, I agree that the 78% figure is completely false.

Even Florida was almost a 50/50 split. I think most of the elderly Jews voted McCain..... besides Cubans and Jews who else would vote McCain in Florida.

[bararallu]

You're probably right that there is a high rate of support for Obama among the Reform, as you say, but I would repeat that basically no Jews with whom I'm familiar voted for Obama, except for a handful. So, I agree that the 78% figure is completely false.

Even Florida was almost a 50/50 split. I think most of the elderly Jews voted McCain..... besides Cubans and Jews who else would vote McCain in Florida.

Um the Rednecks of course!

[andak01]

Yes, he believes in Socialism and wants America to be a Socialist country. He's also a fundamentalist Muslim. Those two reasons make him a natural Obama supporter. Why work for your money when President Hussein Obama promises to steal it from other Americans and give it to you?

Uh huh. Well the Americans who voted for Obama would totally disagree with you. There's a big difference from wanting some social services and wanting Socialism. If unfettered Capitalism was as uniformly successful as you would have us believe, Obama never could have won because the grand success of Bush policies would have led McBush to victory.

Look, at this point Obama's won. He's the president now. Even McCain and Palin and Bush have reconciled with that. It starts to sound a little sour grapes when you keep wishing for an outcome in an election that's already passed. The lesson to be learned is that smear politics doesn't work if that's all you've got. The Republican party will actually need some solutions, and I welcome and look forward to that.

[redcake]

No the lesson here is not to allow calling someone on their lack of record and own nutball platforms to be mislabeled as "smear politics". We all know why it's valuable for you to obscure radical fundamentalist politics. You do it every day.

The American people voted for a hoax. He will not keep even half of his promises. He obscured programs and plans which the people would never have voted for, and those are the only policies he's pursuing. He's assembling a Clinton heavy cabinet under the guise of change, and you're the one still gloating about Bush? How insane. Clinton bombed Iraq AND created a false economy bubble, that led to the mortgage crisis today.

[andak01]

No the lesson here is not to allow calling someone on their lack of record and own nutball platforms to be mislabeled as "smear politics". We all know why it's valuable for you to obscure radical fundamentalist politics. You do it every day.

Excuse me? Obama is radical fundamentalist now? Fundamentalist what religion? And since when is universal healthcare nutball whereas drilling in every wildlife sanctuary isn't.

The American people voted for a hoax. He will not keep even half of his promises. He obscured programs and plans which the people would never have voted for, and those are the only policies he's pursuing. He's assembling a Clinton heavy cabinet under the guise of change, and you're the one still gloating about Bush? How insane. Clinton bombed Iraq AND created a false economy bubble, that led to the mortgage crisis today.

Oh yeah, I know. The Republicans were never in power, never had control of both houses, the judicial branch and the Whitehouse. It's all the Clinton's fault that we are in Iraq.

[redcake]

Excuse me? Obama is radical fundamentalist now? Fundamentalist what religion? And since when is universal healthcare nutball whereas drilling in every wildlife sanctuary isn't.

He believes in Black Theological Christianity which is not entirely based on Christianity, but also incorporates other religious influences found in Nation of Islam beliefs, Black nationalism, etc. In fact James Cone, one of the fathers of that movement, was directly responding to Malcolm X's demonization of Christianity. In policy Obama believes that faith through religious non-profits has a role in the work government does, or in his case, what he hopes government will do, including social service. Like your own warped politics, he mixes faux-liberalism, with fundamentalist religion.

Obama isn't offering Universal single payer Healthcare. He never was. Did you know that when you voted for him?

Obama is offering a mandatory civil service corp. with military spending on par with military spending. Your children will have to enroll in months of service, where they may be indoctrinated with values like those introduced by Obama's own Public Allies which attacked "hetero-normative" thinking during retreats. According to the Public Allies own website "In a past study, our members were twice as likely as 18-34 year olds generally to volunteer, mentor a young person, serve on a nonprofit board, attend a public meeting, and engage in protest activities. "

Oh yeah, I know. The Republicans were never in power, never had control of both houses, the judicial branch and the Whitehouse. It's all the Clinton's fault that we are in Iraq.

Sure, Republicans were in power....and they didn't push for unqualified lending or double the real estate bubble.... but hey, I guess you have to erase that from your memory just like you have to erase Clinton bombing Iraq using a fear of WMD's as justification, killing 500,000 children all time to postpone his impeachment.

[andak01]

Obama is offering a mandatory civil service corp. with military spending on par with military spending.

You mean something like Israel has and Switzerland has and other countries have, where there is mandatory service either military or civilian? Given that we're about to be forced to lose our military edge unless there is a draft, that's a good thing. During the Vietnam era, student were torn because their fate hung on the draw of lottery.

Your children will have to enroll in months of service, where they may be indoctrinated with values like those introduced by Obama's own Public Allies which attacked "hetero-normative" thinking during retreats.

Why stop there. While you're stating things that "may" happen that don't bear any relation to what has been stated.

According to the Public Allies own website "In a past study, our members were twice as likely as 18-34 year olds generally to volunteer, mentor a young person, serve on a nonprofit board, attend a public meeting, and engage in protest activities. "

Obama has consistently betrayed his fellow liberals in the past, as at the Harvard Law review.

Sure, Republicans were in power....and they didn't push for unqualified lending or double the real estate bubble.... but hey, I guess you have to erase that from your memory just like you have to erase Clinton bombing Iraq using a fear of WMD's as justification, killing 500,000 children all time to postpone his impeachment.

Did you get that number from ElectronicIntifada? Because I've seen it quoted there. If you accept that, it was come about with the same methods that had Bush killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis even by 2004. Clinton is personally held responsible for every missed shipment of drugs and every doctor that couldn't perform an operation and every starving child. Well Obama has announced that he wants to lift the sanctions on Cuba, the same sanctions that caused all those deaths in Iraq under Clinton. What's your take on that?

[redcake]

You mean something like Israel has and Switzerland has and other countries have, where there is mandatory service either military or civilian? Given that we're about to be forced to lose our military edge unless there is a draft, that's a good thing. During the Vietnam era, student were torn because their fate hung on the draw of lottery.

Wow, hilarity.

I love the crazed new-liberal rational that the draft is actually good, it was just the lottery system used during Vietnam that made it so inconvenient.

Using systems in Israel, or Switzerland in the US is as ludicrous as the comparison itself. Obama Corp. would create a shadow defense service, and shadow watchdog groups. It's civil service only in name, and neighborhood activist by trade.

As this op-ed in the LA times notes:

In 1998, Americans also volunteered 21% more than the Swiss and 32% more than Germans -- two countries with compulsory national service. And yet we're continually told we should emulate them so that America too can have a "culture of service."

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,368008.column

That piece also notes that the 13th Amendment forbids involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

Did you get that number from ElectronicIntifada? Because I've seen it quoted there. If you accept that, it was come about with the same methods that had Bush killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis even by 2004. Clinton is personally held responsible for every missed shipment of drugs and every doctor that couldn't perform an operation and every starving child. Well Obama has announced that he wants to lift the sanctions on Cuba, the same sanctions that caused all those deaths in Iraq under Clinton. What's your take on that?

I could care less if Obama lifts sanctions on Cuba but you're making up a false premise argument again. I've already said we should expect Israel to be replaced in friendship stature by Cuba. So let's be honest here, Andak, the medical system in Cuba which has the ability to serve health tourism with preference while it's people are denied care, is not suffering in any way shape or form comparable to Iraq under Clinton.

U.S. Sales of Medicines and Medical Supplies to Cuba
The US embargo does NOT deny medicines and medical supplies to the Cuban people. As stipulated in Section 1705 of the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992, the U.S. Government routinely issues licenses for the sale of medicine and medical supplies to Cuba. The only requirement for obtaining a license is to arrange for end-use monitoring to ensure that there is no reasonable likelihood that these items could be diverted to the Cuban military, used in acts of torture or other human rights abuses, or re-exported or used in the production of biotechnological products. Monitoring of sales can be performed by independent non-governmental organizations, international organizations, or foreign diplomats [...]

Moreover, the U.S. embargo on Cuba affects only U.S. companies and their subsidiaries. Other nations and companies are free to trade with Cuba. Should Cuba choose not to purchase from the U.S., it can purchase any medicine or medical equipment it needs from other countries. Such third-country transactions only cost an estimated 2%-3% more than purchases from the U.S. as a result of higher shipping costs.

http://www.canf.org/Issues/medicalapartheid.htm


Oh, and please tell me when Clinton was EVER held accountable for the 567,000 child deaths?

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

Albright doesn't deny the number.

[andak01]

Wow, hilarity.

I love the crazed new-liberal rational that the draft is actually good, it was just the lottery system used during Vietnam that made it so inconvenient.

If you didn't have a lottery system and every American knew that they would either be serving in the civilian or the military service, it would be, well like many other countries in the world. A small portion of every citizen's life is taken out to repay the debt they have to their nation.

Using systems in Israel, or Switzerland in the US is as ludicrous as the comparison itself. Obama Corp. would create a shadow defense service, and shadow watchdog groups. It's civil service only in name, and neighborhood activist by trade.

We are supposed to have municipal, state and federal security in addition to our military. That is the Constitution. If he's proposing something unconstitutional, it should be stopped.

That piece also notes that the 13th Amendment forbids involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

Then the draft is unconstitutional.

I could care less if Obama lifts sanctions on Cuba but you're making up a false premise argument again. I've already said we should expect Israel to be replaced in friendship stature by Cuba. So let's be honest here, Andak, the medical system in Cuba which has the ability to serve health tourism with preference while it's people are denied care, is not suffering in any way shape or form comparable to Iraq under Clinton.

And that's Clinton's fault, not Saddam Hussein's?

Oh, and please tell me when Clinton was EVER held accountable for the 567,000 child deaths?

To the same degree that Bush will be held accountable for hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Not.

Albright doesn't deny the number.

As you may know, Albright's quote was used all across the Arab press to prove that America doesn't give a damn. Now you've got a president elect who has stated that he's willing to come to the table instead of solving all ME problems with bombs, and you're likening him to Hitler. You want to know why the Arabs like Obama, it's because they HOPE that he will be different from the past few presidents even by a degree.

[NewsGuy]

Uh huh. Well the Americans who voted for Obama would totally disagree with you. There's a big difference from wanting some social services and wanting Socialism. If unfettered Capitalism was as uniformly successful as you would have us believe, Obama never could have won because the grand success of Bush policies would have led McBush to victory.

Some Socialism? We have that already. Social Security, public schools, government jobs, unions, etc.

No, what you and other Obama supporters want is not "some Socialism." It's to take away even more from the people who already contribute the most to society. As your Leftist Messiah said, he will forcefully redistribute hard-working Americans' wealth. That's why people voted for Obama.

Look, at this point Obama's won. He's the president now. Even McCain and Palin and Bush have reconciled with that. It starts to sound a little sour grapes when you keep wishing for an outcome in an election that's already passed. The lesson to be learned is that smear politics doesn't work if that's all you've got. The Republican party will actually need some solutions, and I welcome and look forward to that.

Right. Obama was (theoretically) elected president -- considering the overwhelming voter fraud that we saw from Obama's supporters. As president we have to support him for the benefit of our country. But at the same time, we'll watch Obama's actions and hold him accountable during the next election. Now what Obama does will be a matter of record, and not just a campaign speech.

Let's hope that Obama was not sincere about about starting a class war and moving this country to Socialism, as he promised. Time will tell.

[redcake]

A small portion of every citizen's life is taken out to repay the debt they have to their nation.

As a duty of respect, not a forced requirement. Americans do by and large donate their time, by choice, to the organization of their choosing, and it's personal. Not to pay a national debt, or to face potential fine (as the Swiss do) or to defend our borders in a constant state of war (as is the case in Israel).

We are supposed to have municipal, state and federal security in addition to our military.

We already do. No need for a socialized Federally controlled neighborhood watch program, or enforced localism to shadow the current municipal, state and federal security which is exists.

Then the draft is unconstitutional.

You're still arguing it's merits.

And that's Clinton's fault, not Saddam Hussein's?

We can blame Saddam for a lot, but we can't blame him that Clinton needed a distraction before impeachment. Clinton bombed to an irrational degree through out his tenure in office, and many who support the war against Iraq, and opposed Saddam still regret how the oil for food program was administered. Are you going to defend Clinton, and his enforcement of sanctions? Bush at least removed Saddam. Clinton left him in power and used bombs as drip torture.

As you may know, Albright's quote was used all across the Arab press to prove that America doesn't give a damn. Now you've got a president elect who has stated that he's willing to come to the table instead of solving all ME problems with bombs, and you're likening him to Hitler. You want to know why the Arabs like Obama, it's because they HOPE that he will be different from the past few presidents even by a degree.

I've compared Obama's rise to power with Hitler, not his foreign affairs policies with the Arab World, though there too, he may follow in Der Fuhrer's footsteps. Frankly I'm not impressed that Obama wants to negotiate with dictators in the Arab world and I could care less about their hopes and dreams. What they hope for, the destruction of Israel, and the fall of America they will not get. Their jealousy and desire to reap the benefits of our assets and our freedoms in order to defeat us is unacceptable. It's not our Presidents who dictate the freedoms and quality of life their citizens are afforded, except in the case where we decide to put pressure or take military action. It's not a fine line between giving oppressive rulers a platform or bombing them though.

[andak01]

A draft is not at all the same thing as universal service. A draft puts a specter of unusual service on some and makes many people who escape it feel more fortunate than those who serve. Universal service is also a burden but one shared by all. Senator's children and the children of the wealthy can't just skip service because of their position and influence. Because it's universal, the period of service can probably be shorter than what is presently expected.

[redcake]

That's your fantasy. You have nothing to support that. You haven't read Rahm's book, you aren't even well versed in the Obama quotes floating around on the topic, you have nothing to justify an argument that something called "Universal service" functions any more righteously then a draft let alone within our Constitutional rights.

Take the two examples you gave before. In Switzerland, if you're of privilege you can refuse military, and opt for civil service, which in turn you can again refuse and pay a fine of 1% of your earnings. If you knew anything about Israel's mandatory service, you would know that position and influence play a key role not just in whether someone serves at all, but in how they serve.

[varian]

... and used bombs as drip torture. ...

A very unique, yet insightful analysis. Very good indeed!!!