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    Message Board Mayhem

    In the past, websites were merely sources of information. Now, with the advent of the next generation of internet technology known as Web 2.0, websites are increasingly interactive, allowing the user, for example, to post videos, add content and comment on news stories.
    Like HonestReporting, which encourages our readers to comment on our communiques through our Backspin blog, most media websites allow their readers to comment on editorial and opinion pieces, albeit through a moderator to ensure debate does not get out of hand.
    By allowing readers to have their say, comments sections provide a glimpse into the orientation of a reading community. They give people a forum for their personal views and allow them to add links to articles related to the main post. These additions can add balance to a slanted opinion piece or they can distort well-crafted arguments by promoting false or discredited information.
    When it comes to emotive subjects such as the Mideast conflict, this moderator system does not always work as comments are either not moderated or are at the mercy of a moderator's own political biases. Concern has been expressed over inflammatory postings and incitement against Israel on sites such as The Guardian's Comment is Free (CiF) and the BBC's message boards, which have consistently allowed anti-Semitic postings under the guise of "anti-Zionism" or supposedly legitimate criticism of Israel.
    THE INDEPENDENT'S MESSAGE BOARD
    We took a look at The Independent's message board following the publication of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown's dreadful op-ed that HonestReporting critiqued on Nov. 23, 2008.
    One of the first comments was posted, allegedly by a "Rabbi Moshe Ben-Hod" in Israel, who called for the blanket destruction of all Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank as the only way to achieve peace. It cannot be ruled out that the person posting this extreme and inflammatory comment was pretending to be an Israeli in order to present Israelis and Jews in the worst possible light. If genuine, then the comment is all the more embarrassing.
    Quite rightly, The Independent's moderators removed the comment (although it could be seen in subsequent postings by others condemning the "Rabbi"), which certainly breached standards on incitement to violence as well as being morally and ethically beyond the pale.
    However, would the moderators exercise the same due care and attention to anti-Israel or anti-Semitic postings?
    The answer was a resounding no. Many of the most outrageous comments did not even bother to criticize "Zionists" or "Israelis". Instead, perhaps revealing the mindset of many of the posters, they referred to "Jews". Classic anti-Semitic tropes such as Jewish control over the media and political establishment appear alongside defamation of the Jewish religion itself. False accusations of rape as well as the general demonization of Israel as a racist and apartheid state also appear.
    Sadly, some of this demonization has entered the mainstream lexicon and it is highly unlikely that the postings of these uninformed or hateful individuals will even be considered as beyond the pale. However, some postings on The Independent's message board went way beyond acceptable discourse and into obvious anti-Semitism and Jew hatred. Here are just a small selection of comments (complete with the original spelling errors):
    JEWISH CONTROL OF THE MEDIA AND POLITICS:
    "All one can say that Jewish fascism is excused due to the high proportion of Jewish people in the media and politics in the UK."
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    "Rabbi Moshe Ben-Hod has expressed publicly what most Jewish people say in private, otherwise how could so much money be raised in the UK by extermist settler groups, as for the British media and policticans most of them are either Jewish or part of Zionist groups like the Friends of Israel."
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    "'Friends of Israel' occupy every nook and cranny in the corridors of power. Have you noticed they now chair our Intelligence & Security Committee, our Defence Committee and our Foreign Affairs Committee? We are becoming Israel's obedient cur."
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    "you will not read or hear of Palestinian suffering, because the people stealing their land and their supporters control the media."
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    "In the US, jews make up just 2% of the population, but they control over 60% of the funding for the Democrat Party and over 30% of the funding for the Republican Party. Jews people are a real threat to our Democracy, it does not matter which policical party you vote for, those who hold the Purse strings are the ones in control."
    DEFAMATION OF JEWS AND THE JEWISH RELIGION:
    "it is you people that hate, and it's not just Palestinians or Muslims, you hate all non-Jews because your crazy religious book tells you that all non-Jews are no better than beasts of burden... your Despicable 'holy' book tells you that you are allowed to kill the women and children of your enemies."
    FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF RAPE:
    "Jews tortured, raped and murdered Palestinians. ...Jews are stealing torturing, raping, and murdering Palestinians."
    COMPARISONS WITH NAZISM:
    "Call it like it is; numerous (just about all) GOVERMENTS of Israel have been FASCIST, RACIST, and APARTHEID and, indeed, have acted in every way like NAZIS."
    Many Jews and others would find the above offensive and anti-Semitic. One of the weapons employed by Israel's enemies is the charge that Israel's supporters throw accusations of anti-Semitism around in order to stifle debate or criticism of Israel.
    So don't just take our word for it. Being a British title, we used the European Union's own Working Definition of Anti-Semitism, under which most of the above comments fell.
    So why did The Independent's moderators not remove these comments?
    COMMENT IS FREE... FOR ANTI-ISRAEL BIAS
    A copy of a detailed report spotlighting anti-Semitism in The Guardian's Comment is Free blog site has been published on Zionism On the Web (pdf format).
    Jonathan Hoffman, who authored the 57-page study, submitted his findings to the UK Parliamentary Committee Against Antisemitism and the US State Department's Office to Combat and Monitor Anti-Semitism.
    Some highlights of Hoffman's study:

    • The majority of writers commissioned by CiF view the Jewish character of Israel as undesirable or unimportant.
    • The sheer volume of anti-Zionist commentary promotes anti-Semitic discourse.
    • Victims of CiF's anti-Semitism are saddled with the responsibility of monitoring the posts and comments.
    • The extent of the section's anti-Semitism contravenes The Guardian's own standards.

    Read the report (pdf format) here.

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    Re: Message Board Mayhem

    RECYCLING FALSEHOODS
    While The Independent removes all trace of its message boards from articles after a certain period of time (hence you are now unable to comment on Alibhai-Brown's piece or read the posts), other media outlets such as Comment is Free save their comments for perpetuity. Sometimes, a comment or post on a message board may even become a valid source through a search engine such as Google or Yahoo.
    A recent example of this and the importance of media issuing corrections appeared on CNN's message board. In a story on the confirmation of uranium traces at a Syrian site bombed by Israel in September 2007, the discussion invariably turned to accusations that Israel was responsible for the uranium.
    One commenter posts from an article by Robert Fisk in The Independent from October 2006 that claimed that Israel had used uranium bombs during the 2006 Lebanon conflict. He then asks: "Israel used it [uranium] in Lebanon why should any one be surprised that Israel used it in Syria too."
    Likewise, a message board at The Scotsman on the same story included identical quotes from Fisk's libel:
    However, the original story by Fisk was thoroughly debunked by HonestReporting after a United Nations agency found the uranium charges to be false. The Independent refused to issue a correction or apology and so this libel is regurgitated on forums such as CNN's with no way to disprove it other than HonestReporting's own rebuttals.
    WHAT CAN YOU DO?

    • The first thing to do is simply to get involved! If you don't add your own voice to the debate, the message boards are left wide open for only one side to be heard. Only a small percentage of readers actually post comments - don't allow the vocal minority to set the terms of the debate.
    • Register - some sites only allow registered users to post comments. Don't be afraid - it's perfectly safe to register with a recognized media site and you don't have to reveal your real name as your user identity - an alias or nickname will suffice.
    • Don't use inflammatory or extreme language - you run the risk of having your comment removed or even being banned from posting in the future. Publishing a rant on a message board will only destroy your credibility so stay in control of your emotions!
    • Send complaints - if you spot a comment that is undeniably anti-Semitic and beyond the pale, report the post to a moderator. Most message boards have this facility and if enough people complain, it becomes very difficult for a moderator to ignore.
    • Rebuttal - some of the anti-Israel libels floating around the internet are beyond belief yet are believed by those who read them. It could be a story such as the "secret uranium bomb" above or falsified quotes or quotes taken out of context purported to be from Israeli sources. A simple Google search or a browse of sites such as HonestReporting's can sometimes give you exactly what you need to rebut a nasty anti-Israel libel.
    • Post positive materials - most people on message boards are undecided one way or another concerning the Arab-Israeli conflict and look to the discussions to help form their opinions. These people are happy to click on hyperlinks to sources that may look interesting. Many people have visited HonestReporting's site having been directed to do so through postings on message boards. Find interesting or positive articles that you can post on message boards.

    JOIN THE SOCIAL MEDIA REVOLUTION
    Promoting positive material helps bring the real picture about Israel to millions of unaffiliated web users. Start by signing up to Facebook and becoming a member of HonestReporting's own group. HonestReporting is also active on other social networking sites. Join our networks on StumbleUpon and Digg and follow our posts on Twitter. Also see our videos on YouTube.
    You can also download our free Internet Activism Guide by clicking here.
    Happy posting!

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    Re: Message Board Mayhem

    I think they are a noble organization but unfortunately very little gets accomplished. If Israeli leaders don't stick up for Israel and Jews out loud and very honestly, then nothing is going to change. I always liked (like) Dan Gillerman b/c he was always honest and told the UN exactly how they were anti-Semitic. Imagine if an Israeli PM had as much guts.

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    Re: Message Board Mayhem

    I'm glad they exist as well, but I can't recall the last time I checked Honest Reporting or used it as a resource, especially during an online debate. I think they've lost sight. The point should be the refutation, not getting bogged down with the politics of op-ed contributors.

    Suggesting we google to find refutations of wild stories makes them irrelevant, and then telling us to link to them as a positive reference sounds a little out of touch.

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