'There is no moderate Islam,' says far-right Dutch legislator Geert Wilders

[ygalg1]

From news article:

15/12/2008 By Cnaan Liphshiz

An international conference on jihad that took place in Jerusalem on Sunday highlighted what hawkish scholars on Islam described as

"real disputes"

about the nature of the problem. The event also inspired the controversial Dutch legislator Geert Wilders to plan a European follow-up in the coming months.

"It's time for such an event in the Netherlands,"

the far-right Wilders said on the terrace of Jerusalem's Begin Center, where the event was held.

"But the cost of security would be much higher in Holland than in Israel."

Wilders - the only one of the six speakers to receive a standing ovation from the 600 people in the audience - told his listeners that

"as the terrorist attacks in Mumbai proved, there's no moderate Islam,"

and it is time for the West to realize it is

"in a conflict with the Muslim faith at large."

He sided with scholars like Haifa University's David Bukay, who averred that

"moderate Islam"

does not exist and that the Koran could not be reformed or modernized.

But American scholar and activist Daniel Pipes disagreed. Quoting Egyptian philosopher Hassan Hanafi, Pipes said the Koran

"is like a supermarket where one takes what one wants and leaves the rest."

This freedom of selection, he argued, provides a means for reshaping Islam.

Pipes opined that those who regard Islam rather than jihad as the enemy fail to realize that a change has occurred over the past few years: Although moderate Muslims are still a small force, they are stronger than they were two years ago.

"Millions took to the streets to protest Turkey's Islamist ruling party, the AKP,"

he said when asked to name examples. And

"hundreds of thousands demonstrated in Pakistan"

following the murder of prime ministerial candidate (and former premier) Benazir Bhutto last year.

Nonetheless, Pipes said he supported more determined Western military action against radical Islam as a means of fostering this change. He also advocated

"crushing the Palestinians' hope for eliminating Israel"

and opposed the creation of a Palestinian state and the ongoing peace talks.

Duke University's Prof. John Lewis, pointing out that Turkey and Pakistan are not Arab countries, suggested that the fight against jihad needs to focus on non-Arab Muslim nations like Indonesia, whose populations

"do not share the jihadists' apocalyptic practice of Islam."

Wilders' short movie

"Fitna"

also received its first Israeli screening at the event, which was organized by MK Aryeh Eldad of the Hatikva Party. The film consists mainly of Muslim hate sermons and gory images from jihad-inspired attacks, and due to the death threats he has received since its release in February, Wilders is now constantly accompanied by bodyguards.

haaretz

[Steven]

I emailed Pipes asking him for evidence that the "moderates" were gaining power more than what he calls extremists. I provided him with evidence of terrorist groups being elected into office, of course he had no answer. Pipes fantasy will destroy the world. Moderate Islam is not coming to the rescue and Wilders has seen first hand how Muslim immigration destroys non-Islamic countries.

The bottom line is that the Islamic party is in power in Turkey and Pakistan is a sewer of trouble.


Thankfully Wilders is the only one who got a standing ovation. The world is waking up.

[andak01]

Ever noticed how many of these folks have ties to the Nazis?

Dutch legislator Geert Wilders told Haaretz yesterday in an interview, that he is considering forming an alliance with Belgium's far-right Vlaams Belang party, which he has hitherto shunned. Belgian Jews have also shunned Vlaams Belang (which is linked to Neo Nazi groups).

http://wwwwbipicomlink.blogspot.com/...ally-with.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqDGBWkCzZE



Are you still shilling for the BNP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08GqzX9ZJzs

[Steven]

Ever noticed how many of these folks have ties to the Nazis?

Dutch legislator Geert Wilders told Haaretz yesterday in an interview, that he is considering forming an alliance with Belgium's far-right Vlaams Belang party, which he has hitherto shunned. Belgian Jews have also shunned Vlaams Belang (which is linked to Neo Nazi groups).

http://wwwwbipicomlink.blogspot.com/...ally-with.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqDGBWkCzZE



Are you still shilling for the BNP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08GqzX9ZJzs

Your attempt to change the issue does not work.

Wilders is 100% correct about Islam and all that I said about the BNP is that applaud them for speaking out against Islam.

Ever notice how more and more people cannot stand Islam?

Afghan militants plant dynamite in the 'Harrods' of Paris and tell France: 'Get your troops out of our country by February'
By MAIL FOREIGN SERVICE
Last updated at 4:04 PM on 16th December 2008



Terrorists brought panic to the heart of Paris this morning after dynamite was discovered in one of the city's most famous department stores.

Thousands of shoppers and staff were evacuated from Printemps, the French equivalent of Harrods, following a warning from a previously unknown group calling itself the Afghan Revolutionary Front.

They had threatened to bring 'death and destruction' unless French troops leave Afghanistan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...-February.html

[andak01]

Your attempt to change the issue does not work.

Wilders is 100% correct about Islam and all I said about the BNP is that applaud them for speaking out against Islam.

I'm against Communism, but I couldn't bring myself to applaud Hitler for speaking out against it. There's a limit.

Ever notice how more and more people cannot stand Islam?

Wilders et al can't stand anyone who isn't an Aryan. You don't do yourself any favors by associating yourself with such extremists.

[Rob]

Wilders et al can't stand anyone who isn't an Aryan.

This is 100% false.

For what it is worth I think Geert Wilders is a nutter.

[Steven]

I'm against Communism, but I couldn't bring myself to applaud Hitler for speaking out against it. There's a limit.

You have no limits, we see that. Wilders is not killing anyone. Once again, another faulty comparison.

Wilders et al can't stand anyone who isn't an Aryan. You don't do yourself any favors by associating yourself with such extremists.

Because you say so? You do not do yourself any favors by associating with Islam.

The issue is not me, obviously you are threatened by him speaking the truth.

Al Qaeda, Pak link to 75% of terror attacks in UK: Brown
15 Dec 2008
NEW DELHI: Over three-fourths of terrorist attacks investigated in the UK had Al Qaeda and Pakistan links, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown

said during a whistlestop tour of India and Pakistan on Sunday. His comment became the latest blow to Pakistan which is trying hard to distance itself from the Mumbai attacks. ( Watch )

After meeting Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to express solidarity with India in the wake of the Mumbai attacks, Brown, in a damning indictment of Pakistan, said, "The group responsible for the attacks is LeT and they have a great deal to answer for."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/3836755.cms

[Agnosthiest]

Dutch legislator Geert Wilders told Haaretz yesterday in an interview, that he is considering forming an alliance with Belgium's far-right Vlaams Belang party, which he has hitherto shunned. Belgian Jews have also shunned Vlaams Belang (which is linked to Neo Nazi groups).

he did shun it. i doubt he has genuinely favors neo-nazis because his actions speak tons about his love for jews...

In the past twenty five years Geert Wilders has visited Israel about forty times[16], where he says he has met Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert personally. [16]

Originally, Wilders wanted to move to the Jewish state because he thought one could, as opposed to the Netherlands, 'work for your own money'.[16] Wilders worked in bread factories and a moshav.[17] With the money he earned, he traveled through Israel and some near countries. He started to love Israel, or as he states it in his own words in 2003: "The past years I have visited many interesting countries, from Tunisia to Turkey and from Cyprus to Iran, but nowhere I have that special feeling of solidarity that I always get if I set foot on the Israeli Ben Gurion Airport."[16]

Wilders has, in the eight years he has served in the Dutch Parliament, consistently supported Israel and attacked countries he perceives as enemies of Israel.[16]

Furthermore, Wilders has made some proposals in the Dutch Parliament inspired by Israel. For example, in 2005 Wilders proposed implementing Israel's administrative detention in the Netherlands, a practice heavily criticized by human rights group Amnesty International. Also, at the time Wilders was member of the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy, he had an employee who directly came from the Israeli Embassy.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders#Israel

[Rob]

Most Dutch Muslims are convinced that Geert Wilders is a secret Mossad agent...

[Steven]

Most Dutch Muslims are convinced that Geert Wilders is a secret Mossad agent...

I believe it. I went on to an Islamic board a few months ago. They swore anyone there who spoke out against Islam was either a Jew or being paid off by Israel.

[andak01]

The issue is not me, obviously you are threatened by him speaking the truth.

Threatened yes. Truth no. Hateful xenophobes have a record of changing societies in very detrimental ways. That goes for Muslim xenophobes as well. It's one of the failures of humanity that no matter how many idiots stand on a soapbox and justify ethnic cleansing, there's a crowd of idiots to listen to it with their firebrands lit. The response to those mobs doesn't have to be another mob running in a different direction. Sometimes a little water is all it takes to extinguish those burning torches of ignorance and hatred.

[Steven]

Threatened yes. Truth no. Hateful xenophobes have a record of changing societies in very detrimental ways. That goes for Muslim xenophobes as well. It's one of the failures of humanity that no matter how many idiots stand on a soapbox and justify ethnic cleansing, there's a crowd of idiots to listen to it with their firebrands lit. The response to those mobs doesn't have to be another mob running in a different direction. Sometimes a little water is all it takes to extinguish those burning torches of ignorance and hatred.

Well almost the entire board is now speaking out against Islam, but only you know the truth.

So why don't you get a little water for the preachers of hate?

[Rob]

Hateful xenophobes have a record of changing societies in very detrimental ways.

What do you think is more disruptive for present day Dutch society. Islam or Geert Wilders? I think it is Islam: burning cars, teaching hate, pushing sensitivities everywhere in society, public cheering when Dutch soldiers are killed in Afghanistan. The government should seriously consider revoking citizinship for some of those people.

[andak01]

What do you think is more disruptive for present day Dutch society. Islam or Geert Wilders? I think it is Islam: burning cars, teaching hate, pushing sensitivities everywhere in society, public cheering when Dutch soldiers are killed in Afghanistan. The government should seriously consider revoking citizinship for some of those people.

It all depends on who listens to Geert Wilders. Everyone including myself agrees that people who burn cars are at the edge of society. But if someone wants to collectively punish all Dutch or European Muslims because of the actions of a few, that's more effectively a distortion of Dutch society long term than a riot that lasts a day or two.

For the same reasons that Dutch are prone to dispise intolerance coming from Muslims, they are also unlikely to dismiss their own values in favor of those of Wilders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3crQsm6oxw

[Steven]

It all depends on who listens to Geert Wilders. Everyone including myself agrees that people who burn cars are at the edge of society. But if someone wants to collectively punish all Dutch or European Muslims because of the actions of a few, that's more effectively a distortion of Dutch society long term than a riot that lasts a day or two.

One more time it is NOT A FEW and it goes way beyond cars being burnt.
I saw a poll that said 50% of the country believes that Muslim immigration was the biggest mistake their country ever made.

The legal backlash is coming and sooner or later Muslims will be not be allowed into non-Islamic countries.