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    Laila
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by scattergood View Post
    Let us be clear, there is no joy in the death's of Arab civilians, there is no joy in the fact that Israel must go to war to defend herself. It is a terrible, horrible shame.

    However, the death's of the civilians and the fact that Israel must go to war in Gaza lie directly and squarely upon Hamas. They are the ones who bring their children near to weapons factories, and set up their infrastructure near civilians. They are the ones who, in 2005, decided to breakup the greenhouses for military supplies instead of using them for more productive means. They are the ones who have rained down rockets upon Israel during the cease fire.

    The best way to ensure that civilians stop dying is to end Hamas quickly and totally. A victor must desroy the ability and the will of their opponent. And while Israel has been relatively successful in destroying the ability of Hamas to fight, it has done nothing but increase their will to fight. Until the pain is SO high to continue fighting, and the civilians in Gaza who voted Hamas in see it as a mistake, there will be no end.
    I am in no way saying Hamas is innocent but when more civilians are being reported dead compared to militants. That is when you know Israel has a problem.

    Every time a strike happens, do you notice the trend of more civilians dying compared to militants

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    CanDo
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I accept religious intolerance?

    How dare i as a human being condemn Israel in killing civilians! I mean, i must be a anti semetic; no wait, strike that. Hitler wannabe -.-'
    As long as you find 100% fault with Jews and no fault with Muslims/Arabs, that shows you to accept religious intolerance, racism and bigotry.

    The Arab/Muslim world has almost completely ethnicially cleansed itself of Christians and Jews, yet your blind eye turns to blame Jews when they fight back against Arab/Muslim terrorism, using effective means.

    Yet when Jews are attacked over and over again, day after day, year after year, you only spring to life to fault Jews for defending their own families.

    You not only accept religious intolerance, bigotry and racism, you endorse it.

  3. #18
    Laila
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by scattergood View Post
    Tell me, what should Israel do in the above case? Or what should an IDF soldier do if a wave of children throwing rocks at them are the front fence for 20 terrorists who are throwing grendades and shooting rifles at them? Should the IDF soldiers respond? Seriously, tell us what they should do to defend themselves?
    A soldier against a few rocks? Wtf?
    For Gods sake. Let me guess, you think the soldier should be allowed to open fire in 'defence' right?

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    Laila
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by CanDo View Post
    As long as you find 100% fault with Jews and no fault with Muslims/Arabs, that shows you to accept religious intolerance, racism and bigotry.

    The Arab/Muslim world has almost completely ethnicially cleansed itself of Christians and Jews, yet your blind eye turns to blame Jews when they fight back against Arab/Muslim terrorism, using effective means.

    Yet when Jews are attacked over and over again, day after day, year after year, you only spring to life to fault Jews for defending their own families.

    You not only accept religious intolerance, bigotry and racism, you endorse it.
    I don't think its 100% on jews.
    Rather 55%
    Get the figure right

    Yes, its us Muslims that wiped out Jews. Please.
    They were living fine amongst Muslims before Israel was there. For hundreds of years Jews went to ME for protection against Europeans.

  5. #20
    CanDo
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes because its just Muslims who are violent ... *switches on SKY, watches air raids*

    Yep, just Muslims ...
    The Muslims/Arabs have a violence, racist, religiously intolerant culture every day of the year. That is why almost all Christians and Jews have fled the Muslim/Arab Middle East.

    The Jews of Israel have endured thousands of rockets, fired against their families from Muslims/Arabs, over the past few years, without resorting to violence. The Jews of Israel only seek peace. But when it becomes obvious to any thinking human, that the only way to peace with violent, racist Muslims/Arabs is through force, then so be it!

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    Laila
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by CanDo View Post
    The Muslims/Arabs have a violence, racist, religiously intolerant culture every day of the year.
    Am i supposed to care what you 'believe'?

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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I am in no way saying Hamas is innocent but when more civilians are being reported dead compared to militants. That is when you know Israel has a problem.

    Every time a strike happens, do you notice the trend of more civilians dying compared to militants
    Again a total non answer. You are basically saying that Israel should just put up with thousands of rockets, etc. because Hamas has been effective in digging into the civilian population and ensuring that civilian deaths will be high. That's rewarding Hamas' illegal and immoral activities, and rewarding the very popluation that voted for them to continue their illegal and immoral attacks.

    Success and failure in war is not based on body count. It is based on being able to destroy the will and ability of your opponent to fight. The conclusion of your argument is that the population that is willing to have 1 more person die than the other side will win, if all that matters is the body count.

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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I am in no way saying Hamas is innocent but when more civilians are being reported dead compared to militants. That is when you know Israel has a problem.
    Please show me a link to a Muslim Web site where you express your humanitarian concerns about Hamas deliberately firing several hundred rockets into Israeli population centers this week?

    It seems that when Muslim terrorists shoot into Jewish temples, homes, kindergartens, etc., people like you are silent. But... If Israel shoots back at the Muslim terrorists, well, then, it's a real humanitarian outrage, isn't it?

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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I am in no way saying Hamas is innocent
    Thats exactly what your saying

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    CanDo
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't think its 100% on jews.
    Yes, its us Muslims that wiped out Jews. Please.
    They were living fine amongst Muslims before Israel was there.
    The Muslim/Arab world is taught to hate all non-Muslims. The profound loathing and hatred of the backward, violent, uncivilized Muslim/World is merely a normal part of the culture.

    The Muslim/Arab world has been able to drive most of the Christians and Jews out of the Middle East. But they haven't been able to drive the tenacious, courageous Jews totally out of the Middle East.

    The Muslim/Arab world drove Jews out of Egypt, out of Lebanon, out of Syria, out of Saudi Arabia, out of Iran, out of Iraq, out of MOROCCO, out of Jordan. Jewish families fled to Israel, and took a stand there, against enormous hordes of violent, uncivilized Muslim/Arab killers.

    The backward, uncivilized Muslims/Arabs attempted to use their military to kill all of the Jews, FIVE times, and yet the small number of Jews beat back these brutal Muslim/Arab goons. The Muslim/Arab world has never forgiven the Jews of Israel for surviving against the Muslim/Arab world's plans of killing all Middle East Jews.

    The Muslim/Arab world then flooded Gaza and the West Bank with Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, etc., driving out Christians and Jews from these areas, and then, through a propaganda hoax, named themselves "Palestinians".

    Located in Jerusalem are 600 historic Christian churches. Where have the Christians gone? Where have all the Muslims come from?! Why are Arabs/Moslems claiming Jerusalem, as a Muslim capital, after centuries being JudeoChristian?

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    scattergood
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    A soldier against a few rocks? Wtf?
    For Gods sake. Let me guess, you think the soldier should be allowed to open fire in 'defence' right?
    Right, so as long as the Hamas attacks aren't too effective upon the Jews, you think they should just be able to continue them?

    Let's say Wales breaks off and becomes a separate country. And then they start lobbing rockets at Bristol and Gloucester, but they aren't too effective, they can only put 1lb of explosives because of the distance right now. And they rain down 10,000 rockets over the course of 3 years. Is England in the right to attack Wales? The Welsh rightly claim that the Angles from Denmark came over in the 1st - 4th centuries CE and dispossed the Welsh from Angleland, or England. The Welsh are just fighting for their homeland.

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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by ynet.com
    How Israel led Hamas into false sense of security

    Carefully calculated maneuvers utilized by cabinet lulled Islamist group into arrogant calm ahead of airstrike offensive in bid to maintain element of surprise. Primary aim of operation is to stop rocket attacks on Israel's south, rebuild deterrence

    Maneuvering the enemy: The Israel government reportedly employed several measures in order to lead Hamas into a false sense of security and ensure the operation against the Islamist group would take the organization by complete surprise.

    The tactic called for Defense Minister Ehud Barak to allow trucks carrying humanitarian aid into the Gaza, despite the ongoing rocket fire on the western Negev.

    Last Sunday afternoon saw Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Barak reportedly agree on launching a wide-scale military offensive in Gaza. Then on Wednesday the National Security Cabinet approved the proposed operation, with the 11 ministers comprising the forum lodging a unanimous yea vote.

    However leaks to the media prompted Hamas officials to go underground in anticipation of the operation, forcing Israel to rethink its strategy and attempt a three-stage deception maneuver.

     Stage one called for the press to learn that the cabinet was only briefed on the situation in Gaza, but that no operational decisions were made.

     Stage two called for Barak to announce that humanitarian aid would be let into the Strip on Friday.

     Stage three had the media learn that the "kitchenette" – the narrow forum comprised of Olmert, Barak and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni – would be meeting on Sunday to discuss future options.

    These steps, said political sources, bore fruit.

    "Hamas pulled its people out of hiding and resumed normal operations," said the sources. "It would seem that Hamas believes the Israeli media, and thought it had a few more days before Israel launched an operation… once the tactical opportunity presented itself, the prime minister called Barak and Livni to his home on Friday night and they made the decision."

    One of the sources added that the IDF has set only two goals for the operation, which is called 'Cast Lead.' The short-term goal calls for the rocket fire by Hamas and the other terror organization to stop. The second goal is to create the kind of deterrence that would prevent future attacks from Gaza on Israel's south.

    Senior sources in Jerusalem added that unlike the Second Lebanon War, which had ambitious goals, the current operation does not aim for the outright toppling of Hamas' rule in Gaza, or for the release of kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, but rather only restoring calm to the western Negev and the Gaza-vicinity communities.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...645135,00.html
    The gov't isn't a bunch of idiots, they are skillful psyop's operators! Hopefully this is true....

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    KettleWhistle
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    A soldier against a few rocks? Wtf?
    For Gods sake. Let me guess, you think the soldier should be allowed to open fire in 'defence' right?
    Yes. And the next time around there won't be any rocks. And if they won't want to be shot at, there won't be any rocks.

    BTW, your comparison of collateral damage amongst the Arabs to Israeli civilian casualties is just pathetic.

  14. #29
    CanDo
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Am i supposed to care what you 'believe'?
    Not at all. But you should care, a little, about truth and justice.

    Of course not all Muslims are good, or evil. I am sure that there are many anecdotal accounts of good Muslims.

    But...... when we see all of the violence and hatred coming out of the Muslim Middle East, especially the widespread racism and religious intolerance, one has to wonder if "radical Islam" is more widespread than reported.

    Christians and Jews have been persecuted throughout the Muslim/Arab Middle East, and mostly driven out of their homes. Christians and Jews have had to flee from the Muslim Middle East and attempt to take refuge in safer, less racist and less discriminatory JudeoChristian countries.

    Look at the horrid treatment of Jews throughout the Middle East. Not only were Jews horribly persecuted throughout the Middle East, they were murdered and tortured and driven from their homes. The majority of the Muslim Middle Eastern Jews lost their possessions, and had to flee to the fledgling state of Israel in order to defend themselves from Muslim/Arab persecution. 820,000 Jews were driven out of Muslim countries, with about 600,000 of them taking refuge in Israel. But, being in Israel hasn't protected either Christians or Jews from further Muslim/Arab attacks and persecution. In 1948 and 1956 and 1967 and 1973, combined Muslim/Arab armies, attempted to destroy Israel and murder all of Israel's Jews. These large Muslim/Arab armies' only reason to make war against Israel was because of religious intolerance and racial hatred against Jews. If you ask "moderate" Muslims today if they would want to see the Jews of Israel destroyed, most would say "yes"! Loving, kind and peaceful doesn't seem to match the behavior of the so called "moderate" Muslim/Arab world.

    Here is a table showing how many Jews lived throughout the Muslim/Arab Middle East, and how many were driven out, losing all of their homes, businesses and possessions to "moderate" Muslims.

    * In 1948 Algeria had 140,000 Jews. Today, less than 100.
    * In 1948 Egypt had 75,000 Jews. Today, less than 100.
    * In 1948 Iran had 100,000 Jews. Today, around 25000.
    * In 1948 Iraq had 150,000 Jews. Today, around 35.
    * In 1948 Lebanon had 20,000 Jews. Today, less than 100.
    * In 1948 Libya had 38,000 Jews. Today 0.
    * In 1948 Morocco had 265,000 Jews. Today, around 5,500.
    * In 1948 Syria had 30,000 Jews. Today, less than 100.
    * In 1948 Tunisia had 105,000 Jews. Today, around 1,500.
    * In 1948 Yemen had 63,000 Jews. Today, less than 200.

    Should you care? If you are not religiously intolerant or racist, you should care about and condemn the DAILY violent hatred coming out of the Muslim/Arab Middle East, not merely pop up when non-Muslims/Arabs finally have enough and strike back.

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    Laila
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    Re: Finally, Israel strikes Gaza!

    Quote Originally Posted by KettleWhistle View Post
    Yes. And the next time around there won't be any rocks. And if they won't want to be shot at, there won't be any rocks.

    BTW, your comparison of collateral damage amongst the Arabs to Israeli civilian casualties is just pathetic.
    Comparison?
    Its factual what is happening.

    194 reported dead in Gaza [so far]
    1 Israeli

    Does not take rocket science to figure out which is higher

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