Ingrid Mattson/ISNA go to Washington.

[varian]

http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/...Inaugural.aspx

MB Comes to the Inaugural
Jan
14 Written by: Diana West
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:11 PM

" ... the January 21 Inaugural prayer service to take place at the National Cathedral in Washington. Among those officiating will be Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). This is an outrage and should be stopped.

What's ISNA? As I have written ... , the US government has identified ISNA as a Muslim Brotherhood front organization. Actually, the Muslim Brotherhood itself has identified ISNA as a Muslim Brotherhood front organization. And the Muslim Brotherhood is all about extending Islamic law globally--even in America. According to its 1991 grand strategy document, the Muslim Brotherhood "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” ...

[andak01]

I'm sure you can show us how Ingrid Mattson, a Canadian, is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood. Furthermore, perhaps you can clarify how statements by the Muslim Brotherhood can be applied directly to ISNA.

[varian]

Section VII; #3. See below:

http://www.investigativeproject.org/...e_docs/423.pdf

Perhaps some of the other names and organizations are also familiar to you in the United States of America vs. ...

[andak01]

Hamas has only been designated as a terrorist organization in the US since 1997. Anyone who was a member or provided support to them prior to that time did so perfectly legally. Calling everyone who ever was connected to them an unindicted co-conspirator reeks of McCarthyism where former members of the Communist party had their careers destroyed for attending a rally in college. It really does matter when the connection was and what it meant.

[Madeline]

Hamas has only been designated as a terrorist organization in the US since 1997. Anyone who was a member or provided support to them prior to that time did so perfectly legally. Calling everyone who ever was connected to them an unindicted co-conspirator reeks of McCarthyism where former members of the Communist party had their careers destroyed for attending a rally in college. It really does matter when the connection was and what it meant.

Folks, we have entered the andak spin zone. Andak, you are priceless.

[NewsGuy]

If true, so far, President Hussein is everything the Leftists crave:

An invitation to the Muslim Brotherhood, a leader of an international Socialist organization in the cabinet, promises to raise taxes on working Americans to pay for illegal aliens' health care, a monumental waste of $750 million for Hussein's campaign, and an untold fortune to be spent on the new Messiah's inauguration ceremonies.

Under Hussein's administration, captured al Qaeda terrorists will no longer be subjected to anything that might cause an unpleasant feeling, and the CIA which prevented the US from being attacked on our soil since 9/11 will be promptly dismantled.

Not to mention President Hussein's plan to deal with Iran and Syria without those countries renouncing terrorism, while Hussein himself refuses to state unequivocally that Israel has the right to defend itself against the Hamas.

[scattergood]

I'm sure you can show us how Ingrid Mattson, a Canadian, is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood. Furthermore, perhaps you can clarify how statements by the Muslim Brotherhood can be applied directly to ISNA.

Or read here:

In its latest filing before the federal district court in Dallas on behalf of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and its affiliate organization, the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT) in the Hamas-terrorism financing case, the ACLU has made a noteworthy admission.

Rather than deny that there is copious evidence tying ISNA and NAIT to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, the brief argues that such evidence is merely dated. In a curious footnote on page 7, the reply states:

Assuming the authenticity of documents' dates, the most recent documents to mention either ISNA or NAIT are dated 1991, Gov. Exhs. 3-3 and 3-85, but the majority of the documents are older. Almost all of the numerous exhibits that purport to show financial transactions and that contain any mention of ISNA or NAIT are dated 1988 and 1989 (there are two dated 1990), almost a decade before the majority of the overt acts the government alleges in support of its conspiracy charges against the HLF defendants.

So ISNA and NAIT are not saying that the documents tying their organizations to Hamas are "inauthentic," but that the problem with the evidence is just that it is old. Then, even more curiously, the reply goes on to argue something that the government has not even alleged:

Even if the "evidence" provided some basis for alleging criminality against petitioners, the government's discussion of it shows the government utterly fails to grasp the singular weight and consequence that an official accusation of criminal conduct carries in our criminal justice system and in our society.

But, of course, the government has not charged ISNA or NAIT with criminal conduct, or the two groups would be indicted in their own right, rather than un-indicted co-conspirators who worked with the Holy Land for Relief and Development (HLF), the defendant and alleged Hamas-front. The reply brief then, as Shakespeare might write, "doth protest too much."

So, it isn't that they AREN'T associated with Hamas adn MB, just that the evidence is old. Nice.

[andak01]

Or read here:

So, it isn't that they AREN'T associated with Hamas adn MB, just that the evidence is old. Nice.

Well for example, if it dated to its early days, Hamas wasn't known to anyone as a terrorist organization and in fact received some support from Israel. So are you saying that anyone who had contact with them even at that time is as guilty as someone who supported them after they were known to have committed terrorist acts?

[varian]

Law enforcement agencies may simply be following their interpretation of RICO guidelines to apply the charges to all involved in certain activities taking place within the jurisdiction of the US and its protectorates. Evidently, different Federal and State law enforcement entities in the US may see a distinct pattern to the behavior of many of the individuals and groups named.

RICO offenses
Under the law, racketeering activity means:

* Any violation of state statutes against gambling, murder, kidnapping, arson, robbery, bribery, extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in the Controlled Substances Act);
* Any act of bribery, counterfeiting, theft, embezzlement, fraud, dealing in obscene matter, obstruction of justice, slavery, racketeering, gambling, money laundering, commission of murder-for-hire, and several other offenses covered under the Federal criminal code (Title 18);
* Embezzlement of union funds;
* Bankruptcy or securities fraud;
* Drug trafficking;
* Money laundering and related offenses;
* Bringing in, aiding or assisting aliens in illegally entering the country (if the action was for financial gain);
* Acts of terrorism.

Pattern of racketeering activity requires at least two acts of racketeering activity, one of which occurred after the effective date of this chapter and the last of which occurred within ten years (excluding any period of imprisonment) after the commission of a prior act of racketeering activity. The U.S. Supreme Court has instructed federal courts to follow the continuity plus relationship test in order to determine whether the facts of a specific case give rise to an established pattern. Predicate acts are related if they "have the same or similar purposes, results, participants, victims, or methods of commission, or otherwise are interrelated by distinguishing characteristics and are not isolated events." ... Continuity is both a closed and open ended concept, referring to either a closed period of conduct, or to past conduct that by its nature projects into the future with a threat of repetition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rackete...anizations_Act

It is obvious that a grave danger is posed for American Jews and other American targets of interest by these groups anywhere in the world, and American authorities are taking an interest in the overall activities of certain groups based upon their own published intentions given to so many of the world's media outlets. This is a slow and tedious process, but most of the cases have been fruitful.

[scattergood]

Well for example, if it dated to its early days, Hamas wasn't known to anyone as a terrorist organization and in fact received some support from Israel. So are you saying that anyone who had contact with them even at that time is as guilty as someone who supported them after they were known to have committed terrorist acts?

Well, if you would actually read, the documents in question were generated 2 years after Hamas was a terrorist group. So strike one on that one.

Further, all I was doing (successfully I might add) is shoot down your idiotic notion that ISNA was not associated with or an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and/or Hamas. Strike two on that one.

[andak01]

Well, if you would actually read, the documents in question were generated 2 years after Hamas was a terrorist group. So strike one on that one.

It isn't the date of the documents that is of importance, but rather the date with which the alleged co-conspirators had contact with Hamas. If it was in the late 1970s then the group was not listed by anyone as a terrorist group. Those dates of contact are not in evidence in the documents you presented.

Further, all I was doing (successfully I might add) is shoot down your idiotic notion that ISNA was not associated with or an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and/or Hamas. Strike two on that one.

That pretty much rules out the existence of any group with Palestinian or Egyptian members, as there is always some way to link them at least with some levels of separation back. "This guy attended the largest mosque in Cairo where OOOOOOh! Sheik Banna once set foot or the son of Ikhwan Foolani once made wudu in the same footbath. If there are real criminal charges to be made, shut the whole organization down!

[thatisraelgirl]

Well for example, if it dated to its early days, Hamas wasn't known to anyone as a terrorist organization and in fact received some support from Israel. So are you saying that anyone who had contact with them even at that time is as guilty as someone who supported them after they were known to have committed terrorist acts?

When exactly did Israel ever support Hamas?!!

[Steven]

When exactly did Israel ever support Hamas?!!

They had some support from Israel early on, as they used them to try and offset the PLO. Just goes to show you that Islamic groups cannot be trusted.

[Tonto]

Let's just cut the crap, shall we? Since 9/11, there have been 12,610 jihadi attacks in this world. In the week of Jan. 3-10, there were 39 attacks, 219 dead as a result of those attacks, and 332 severely wounded as a result of those attacks. So tell me again about the religion of peace. I spit on it, and the fake prophet. Islam is detestable and needs to be erradicated. They didn't even make a good start in Gaza. More's the pity.

[ShimonG]

Let's just cut the crap, shall we? Since 9/11, there have been 12,610 jihadi attacks in this world. In the week of Jan. 3-10, there were 39 attacks, 219 dead as a result of those attacks, and 332 severely wounded as a result of those attacks. So tell me again about the religion of peace. I spit on it, and the fake prophet. Islam is detestable and needs to be erradicated. They didn't even make a good start in Gaza. More's the pity.

Good to know that more and more people are recognizing the truth about the murderous and perverted nature of islam.

And that despite the most despicable attempts by this pile of islamic offal, his taqqiya has no buyers.