MP: Arrest British Jews fighting for IDF

[Steven]

This is why Muslims should not be in put in positions of power, they will just use it to further their Islamic agenda.



MP: Arrest British Jews fighting for IDF
Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:39:56 GMT
By Fareena Alam, Press TV, London


Lord Nazir Ahmed is one of Britain's most prominent Muslim leaders. This week, he questioned the British government about concerns that British Jews may have served in the Israeli Defense Force during Operation Cast Lead - the three-week bombardment of Gaza.

Lord Ahmed's questions have brought attention to an issue that has significant legal and political implications but which few want to discuss in public.

The following is an exclusive Press TV interview with Lord Ahmed:

Press TV: Lord Nazir Ahmed, you raised question in Parliament about the legal implications of British Jews serving in the IDF. What was the response?

Lord Ahmed: I asked Her Majesty's government if they were aware of British citizens who may have been involved with the war crimes committed by the Israeli Defense Force and Israeli Defense Reserves. Her Majesty's government did not have any figures because dual nationals do not have to inform the government. However, there are reports in the Daily Mirror and The Sun with the names of British citizens who have been fighting in Gaza.

The point I was making is that war crimes have been committed, white phosphorous has been used and if there are people who have broken the 4th Geneva Convention, then whoever they are, when they return to this country, they should be arrested and charged - unlike the Major General who escaped in 2005.

Press TV: Are you certain these are up to date reports about British citizens serving in Israel?

Lord Ahmed: These are very new reports, dated January 2009, of British citizens who have gone out to fight against the Palestinian people as part of the IDF. Their names and ages are mentioned in these reports.
We know that there are student unions that have been actively recruiting young people in Britain to join the Israeli Defense Force and we also know that there are young Jewish students who go and serve on the kibbutz and also in schools, who are also then doing national service in Israel.

How many of those have been involved in war crimes? How many of those have broken the Geneva Convention? When they come back to this country, we want our government to take some legal action against them.

Press TV: Will our government take such action?

Lord Ahmed: Yes - if there is evidence and if the United Nations is strong enough. At the moment they have not even decided how they are going to conduct this independent investigation into the use of white phosphorous and other weapons prohibited by the United Nations.

There is very clear evidence that the 4th Geneva Convention has been breached - we know there was collective punishment, excessive and disproportionate use of force against civilians and deliberate attacks on schools, hospitals and ambulances. There have even been attacks on UNRWA personnel and warehouses.

If the United Nations makes a statement or if someone goes to the courts and gets an order against these people then I am sure the government has to take some legal action.

Press TV: Were you surprised by the response from the government?

Lord Ahmed: I am not surprised at all. Lord Malloch-Brown did actually say that if there is any evidence of the 4th Geneva Convention being breached, and it doesn't matter whether they are British citizens or whether they are other nationalities, these people will be arrested and they will be tried in this country.

Press TV: How do you think the British Jewish community will react to such a move?

Lord Ahmed: Well the reaction was very obvious. One of their lordships got up and started to praise the British citizens who were fighting in Gaza. He said: shouldn't we be proud of the fact they are fighting against terrorists who are hell bent on trying to destroy Israel.

But they are not fighting against a terrorist organization as such. The IDF and those who serve in it have been involved in the massacre of civilians, including hundreds of Palestinian children and attacks on the United Nations and even the American school. There is just no excuse for anyone to get away from these war crimes this time.

Press TV: Is this situation comparable to British Muslims allegedly going to fight in foreign conflicts?

Lord Ahmed: There have been many government statements with regards to British Muslims going abroad to foreign madrasahs and then seeking training. There was a huge outcry across the board - from government officials, politicians and civil society.

Of course, we do not support anyone who has been involved with terrorism or killing of innocent civilians anywhere, or those who fight British troops abroad.

However, to me there is no difference whether the young person is from a Jewish background or Muslim background. The only difference is that one has a uniform and the other does not. Both kill innocent civilians. Both need to be brought justice.

This is why Baroness Tongue asked the question about the number of British youth who go to religious Jewish schools and also the kibbutz. In this case, it is a double standard to allow young British citizens of whatever religion, who go to religious schools and then get involved in armed conflicts and join a terrorist state.

The very fact that in both cases, they kill innocent civilians, including children warrants a fresh look at this issue, as was recommended by Lord Wallace of Saltaire.

Press TV: Are you expecting any progress now that you have raised the issue?

Lord Ahmed: My intention was to bring this matter to the attention of parliament. The second was to discuss this openly in the media. It has always been a taboo to ask any questions about Jewish youth who go to Israel for training and service in the IDF.

We have received a government statement. Now, it is for the legal experts to take it up in the courts and to make sure the government takes legal action against people who may have been in breach of international law.

As a general point, I was surprised by how the entire British society was moved by this crisis. In almost every town and city, people went out to demonstrate against the bombing and killing of innocent civilians. They put pressure on the government and at least the government has done a few things such as taking the resolution to the UN.

But more importantly, I have definitely seen the mood amongst British politicians change to become more openly critical of the Israeli government. Unfortunately, that is not the same in Europe.

We went to see the President of the European Parliament and met with a number of Members of the European Parliament who feel that Germany, Austria and France and other parts of Europe still have guilt in relation to the Holocaust. That is why Israel can get away with anything it wants.

We know that very fine members of parliament like Gerald Kaufman MP, who is himself Jewish, very openly said that just because these people were victims of the Holocaust does not mean they should perpetrate another holocaust on the Palestinian people.

We need to speak out and support Jews, like Gerald Kaufman and Jews for Justice for Palestine, who have been supporting the Palestinians.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510302

[Yala]

[kozzol]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...tal-crash.html

[Yala]

So when is Lord Ahmed off to jail?

From the above article:
The 51-year-old peer faces a maximum of two years in jail after he admitted sending and receiving a series of five text messages while driving in the dark at more than 60mph along a 17-mile stretch of the M1.
A short time later, he crashed into the back of an Audi that had hit the central reservation and was sitting the fast lane, killing the driver, Martyn Gombar.

[kozzol]

I think he is being sentenced on the 12th of February, but shall not hold my breath for a custodial sentence.

[Fall]

This is why Muslims should not be in put in positions of power, they will just use it to further their Islamic agenda.

So what are you implying? That they should not be allowed to run for office like everyone else, and have a lesser citizenship? Oh the irony.

[kozzol]

I dont think it a case of that, but his stance against Geert Wilders film 'Fitna' when he actually introduced Israel Shamir into the House of Lords, shows his abuse of power being a Lord and prominent mohammedien.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...icle378140.ece

[Yala]

He's a loudmouth idiot and nothing more. Never heard of him before today.

[kozzol]

He's a loudmouth idiot and nothing more. Never heard of him before today.

To be quite honest neither had I until steven pointed him out. Now I have read all that I can find about him and he has got alot of clout concerning the mohammedien community in the UK.

[Yala]

To be quite honest neither had I until steven pointed him out. Now I have read all that I can find about him and he has got alot of clout concerning the mohammedien community in the UK.

Seems like the token Muslim go-to guy. The guy the British can point to and say "see we are not racist, we have a Muslim Lord in the House."

And wow, who is this guy Israel Shamir whose name really is Joran Jemas and has 10 other aliases? Is he well known? Is he Britain's version of David Duke? Did he take a Jewish name so he could insult Jews and sound like it was coming from one of us? Please, we have enough of those.

[kozzol]

Seems like the token Muslim go-to guy. The guy the British can point to and say "see we are not racist, we have a Muslim Lord in the House."

Thats exactly how it appears to me and once again shows the over the top political correctness which exsist in the UK.

[Aviva]

In 2006 during the last war with Lebanon, I saw Ken Livingstone, the then London Mayor, talking on Channel 4 news and suggesting the same thing - that British IDF soldiers should be viewed the same way as British Muslims who got off to Afghanistan to train to be terrorists.

[GratefulFred]

The day the US decides that we duel American israeli citizens must give up one is the day I drain what remains of my IRA.

I figure one plus in this mad world.

Time for you Brits to come on home. We are waiting for you.

[kozzol]

GratefulFred.

The UK goverment wont even contemplate the suggestions. What with all the British servicemen/women fighting against fanatical mohammediens it would cause uproar within the UK.

[Aviva]

The UK goverment wont even contemplate the suggestions. What with all the British servicemen/women fighting against fanatical mohammediens it would cause uproar within the UK.

I don't think that the average British person on the street can be trusted to agree with that, though.

Older people and those who read quality newspapers understand that the war in Afghanistan is against very dangerous fanatics. Younger people, though, have such a dumbed down and liberalised approach to the news and probably see the British forces fighting an unfair and unjust war against innocent people, who don't know any better because they're uneducated and living in poverty. Muslims will see the war in Afghanistan as an attack on Islam and liberals who support them and young people who are influenced by them will blindly agree.