Geert Wilders banned from UK

[kozzol]

There is a growing petition on Facebook which I have just found against Lord Ahmed.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=52193678138#

[Mediocrates]

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/3247

[kozzol]

Maajid Nawas during this debate is exactly what you expect a British 21st century moslem should be. He made it very clear that he as a British subject was denied his right of freedom of speech, by Geert Wilders being banned and not being able to debate the subjects raised in the film 'Fitna'.

A good link.

[maven]

Lord Ahmed, anti-Jewish statements + how he stopped Geert Wilders from showing his film through threats and intimidation + he pressured to stop an Israeli general from coming to Britain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxS2LvAv0Z0

[kozzol]

He is has also suggested when in debate with Lord Pearson that War Crimes have been committed in Iraq and Afghanistan so lets see if they attempt to have any British Military personel charged.

I would love it if they did try as it would be the final nail in Islams coffin in the UK.

[Steven]

There is a growing petition on Facebook which I have just found against Lord Ahmed.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=52193678138#

Thanks for the good news.

[CLL1709]

Exactly, it is more of a political movement than a religion.

Are the Saudis really talking about trying to get the Bible banned there? If you have a link please post it.

France does not allow any foreign funding for Mosques (probably all houses of worship).

Steven, my niece, a USAF officer was briefly stationed at Prince Sultan, our base in SA and she did not even leave the air base, and being a practicing Christian did so. The Christian Bible or any other religious text are allowed in that pathetic country.

[Steven]

Steven, my niece, a USAF officer was briefly stationed at Prince Sultan, our base in SA and she did not even leave the air base, and being a practicing Christian did so. The Christian Bible or any other religious text are allowed in that pathetic country.

I think that you forgot the word "not".

[Sharona]

Did anyone see 'Panorama', tonight?

A first step perhaps in the Government acknowledging that their advisors have been talking nonsense.

The advice given appears to have been to allow and support clerics that they know full well are extremists - but are anti-terror. In other words, to focus only on the 'terror' element.

However, what they have overlooked - and again, do you really need even Psychology 101 to figure this out - that those preachers have been allowed to influence young people against Britian. They've said that Islam is not compatible with democracy; that their 'brothers' around the world - and British Muslims themselves - are 'supressed' and 'victims'; courtesy of the UK. They've influenced them to bear grudges. They might just as well have handed these young people over to Hamas, such is the poison they are placing in their minds. And of course, the more they feel victims, riot and bear their 'death to the Kuffar'-type placards, the more they are disliked and not trusted. Especially as we really have bent over backwards to be accommodating. It's like having it all flung back in your face. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

The program showed a communication from one advisor who said he longed for the UK to be Islamic and hoped the leader would be 'X' (because I've forgotten his name). He is a Hammas leader. Some advisor

Ahmed was interviewed - briefly. You'd think butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Given his subsequent behaviour, I fail to see how he can be considered trustworthy.

So now the Government are aware that they've only been addressing one aspect of the problem - 'terror'. How they will now go about sorting it all out remains to be seen.

[Rob]

Bottom line:

Looking through all the smoke screens of accusing Geert Wilders blatanly wrong of being a nazi, antisemite, racist etc. this is what happened:

An UK member of parlament invited an elected member of parlament of a friendly nation which was cancelled after the UK gave in to Muslims threats.

[kozzol]

I think that Geert Wilders 'Fitna' topped with the Gaza demonstrations, Lord Ahmeds threats and the hate speeches from Islamic clerics, then on top of all this what is actually going on in Afghanistan and Pakistan are finally waking up the powers that be.

There will be sweeping changes if the Goverment feel that Islam is now threatening its very exsistence and I believe that this has finally sunk in.

[Aviva]

Did anyone see 'Panorama', tonight?

A first step perhaps in the Government acknowledging that their advisors have been talking nonsense.

The advice given appears to have been to allow and support clerics that they know full well are extremists - but are anti-terror. In other words, to focus only on the 'terror' element.

However, what they have overlooked - and again, do you really need even Psychology 101 to figure this out - that those preachers have been allowed to influence young people against Britian. They've said that Islam is not compatible with democracy; that their 'brothers' around the world - and British Muslims themselves - are 'supressed' and 'victims'; courtesy of the UK. They've influenced them to bear grudges. They might just as well have handed these young people over to Hamas, such is the poison they are placing in their minds. And of course, the more they feel victims, riot and bear their 'death to the Kuffar'-type placards, the more they are disliked and not trusted. Especially as we really have bent over backwards to be accommodating. It's like having it all flung back in your face. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

The program showed a communication from one advisor who said he longed for the UK to be Islamic and hoped the leader would be 'X' (because I've forgotten his name). He is a Hammas leader. Some advisor

Ahmed was interviewed - briefly. You'd think butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Given his subsequent behaviour, I fail to see how he can be considered trustworthy.

So now the Government are aware that they've only been addressing one aspect of the problem - 'terror'. How they will now go about sorting it all out remains to be seen.

I watched it too and was amazed that police are only concentrating on the terror element. The rejection of British law, values, democracy should be considered treason, in my opinion, and new laws should be passed to come down heavily on this attitude.

I'm wondering if it's too late for the UK, though. How can they have a zero tolerance approach to the ideology connected with terrorism now when Muslims believe they have the right to behave however they like?

[Sharona]

To be honest, watching Panorama last night and hearing about the 'advice' the 'advisors' have been given was a jaw-dropping experience.

Thinking about the tax-payers money going to support these extremists and the 'advisors' makes me angry.

I'm shocked by the sheer lunacy of a government that actually believed the strategy was viable. As I said, you don't need a degree in psychology to see that it was a dangerous, one-sided approach. Common sense would have done the job.

But then, as they say - the trouble with common sense is that it ain't so common!

I don't know whether recent events were the driving force behind this program. Generally speaking, investigative reports take a long time to produce so this was probably in the pipeline before Gaza.

I have no idea how the Government are going to reverse the situation, either. I know you've got to begin somewhere but I anticipate problems arising when extremists are targeted.

[Aviva]

The government was probably taking a softly-softly approach because there are over two million Muslims in this country, all of who have votes and most of whom would support a Labour government. There is already a lot of complaints about Islamophobia, and victimisation, which the UK bleeding heart lefties would blindly champion too. The government has to pander to it's electorate.

I'm beginning to think that this situation will have to get much worse if it's going to get better. There will have to be another huge terrorist atrocity to change attitudes in the UK.

[Sharona]

Agreed.

We need to address the 'victim'-type culture the 'advisors' have created. It rarely addresses real victims but seems to create false ones.

Young Muslim men and women should open their eyes to the lives they are able to live in the UK - as opposed to the life their parents left behind.

It is interesting to note that the parents aren't the ones rioting - it's their offspring who are more indoctrinated than they ever were, despite the welfare state benefits that they enjoy.

A six-month stay in an AIDS-stricken, African village, living as the villagers live might help them to appreciate what they've got. It would be a better use of tax-payers money than these 'advisors'.