Israel's Domestic Enemy

[CanDo]

Israel's Domestic Enemy - Article by Daniel Pipes.

New York Sun
December 19, 2006

From the article:

"After nearly sixty years on the sidelines, Israel's third and final enemy may be joining the battle.

Foreign states are Israel's enemy no. 1. With the declaration of Israeli independence in May 1948, five foreign armed forces invaded Israel. All the major wars that followed – 1956, 1967, 1970, 1973 – involved Israelis at war with neighboring armies, air forces, and navies. Today, the greatest threat comes from weapons of mass destruction in Iran and Syria. Egypt increasingly presents a conventional arms danger.

External Palestinians are enemy no. 2. Eclipsed for two decades after 1948, they moved to center-stage with Yasir Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organization. The 1982 Lebanon war and the 1993 Oslo accords confirmed their centrality. External Palestinians remain active and menacing today, what with terrorism, missiles landing on Sderot, and a global public relations campaign of rejectionism.

The Muslim citizens of Israel, usually known in English as Israeli Arabs, constitute enemy no. 3. (But I focus on Muslims, not Arabs, because Arabic-speaking Christians and Druze are generally less hostile.)

Israeli Muslims began inconsequentially; in 1949, they constituted a population of 111,000 and 9 percent of Israel's population. They then multiplied ten-fold, to 1,141,000 in 2005, 16 percent of the population. Beyond numbers, they took full advantage of Israel's open, modern society to evolve from a small, docile, and leaderless population into a robust, assertive community whose leaders include a Supreme Court justice, Salim Joubran; an ambassador, Ali Yahya; members of parliament; academics; and entrepreneurs.

This ascent, along with other factors – enemies no. 1 and 2 at war with Israel, increased ties to the West Bank, the surge of radical Islam, the Lebanon war in mid-2006 – emboldened Muslims to reject the Israeli identity and turn against the state. Their blatantly celebrating Israel's worst enemies evidences this, as does growing Muslim-on-Jewish violence within Israel. This month alone, Muslims pillaged a Jewish religious school in Acre and nearly murdered a Jezreel Valley farmer. A teenage boy was arrested for planning a suicide attack on a Nazareth hotel."

Rest of the article @ http://www.danielpipes.org/4220/israels-domestic-enemy

Is it time for Israel's Jews to get serious about the enemy from within, Israel's Muslims?

Options are to remove them from Israel via Lieberman's doctrine, or make sure that they are transfered to the Palestinian State as part of any peace deal, although a Palestinian State would be a huge threat to Israel's future.

There are increasing threats to the future of Israel. Perhaps it is time to make some difficult choices while still possible.

[CanDo]

Iran is preparing for an all out attack against Israel. They are arming and funding Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda. Plus.... Iran is racing to develop nucear weapons.

Israelis seem to be ignoring the seriousness of the Islamic threats by wanting to keep weak leaders like Livni in office. Perhaps Israelis think that their God will protect them, and that the land of Israel is sacred to their God and that their God will be there for them.

Yeh, sure. Just like their God was there for Jews during the Holocaust!

Israel needs more defensible borders, and more territory, to protect itself from their eternal enemies. The Arabs/Muslim will NEVER cease being backward, racist, religiously intolerant savages. NEVER! Anyone who thinks that Arab/Muslim society will ever evolve into more civilized, and into more human-like beings, has their head in the sand.

The choice is up to the Jews of Israel. Either find a way to expel ALL Muslims out of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, once and for all, or wait until Israel's Islamic enemies have readied an overwhelming threat to Israel's existence.

Think about it! Even if Israel survives the coming battle for survival, the damage, loss of life and total number of Jewish casualties will be overwhelming; while the rest of the world will not come to Israel's aid, and will just watch and shake their heads and, once again, blame the Jews.

[bararallu]

Liebermans plan makes sense. If they want to remain, they have to serve in a civil service or something, benefiting the State. The rest can be appended to the balagan called "palestine".

[CanDo]

Israel's Arabs are ungrateful and hateful, a bad combination. They have a higher standard of living than most Arabs throughout the Arab world, and yet these backward, uncivilized, hateful cretins never evolve from their age-old hatreds towards Jews.

They get all kinds of benefits from the Jewish State, not available throughout the Muslim/Arab world, and yet, given the chance, they assist and support the Islamists whose goals are to destroy the Jewish State of Israel and murder all Jews.

There are just too few Jews in this world, to share the tiny State of Israel with Arabs who bring the ugliness of religious intolerance and barbarism into Jewish lives.

Israel should expel all Muslims from throughout Greater Israel, while it is still possible.

[bararallu]

There really is no need to expel anyone at this point. You give them what they want and see them leave for greener pastures down the road. Break off the triangle and attach it to Samaria. Keep all the settlements, adjust the border fence accordingly. Let them enjoy their brothers embrace for a while.

I also believe some number of them will want to stay in good faith & sincerity and should definitely be given the chance. We are a democracy after all. The Lieberman oath is a lightning rod, more effective is every (and I mean) every Israeli should do national service, not necessarily military for 3 years or so. National service should equate into citizenship/voting rights. Many of them will loath to help the state for free, as will many of our own Herredi. One rock, two birds.

[Yala]

I don't support the loyalty oath either and I don't even believe Lieberman thinks it can be implemented. I think he is doing just to show Israelis their true face, and it's working. The land swap is actually vital to the continuation of Israel as a Jewish state and it is actually doable. Although like Redcake, I'd like to see a map. I also think some type of national service is vital for Israel. Also, they should implement more separation between Synagogue and State and Shas and UTJ should be banned.

[bararallu]

Also, they should implement more separation between Synagogue and State and Shas and UTJ should be banned.

I think there is a better chance of Takeo becoming a republican and peace in the Middle East before that happens . Although it would rather nice if it did. And get these lazy cowardly bastages into some uniforms for a couple of years would be even better. This is BTW an old Labor arrangement- they brought them in to begin with, to balance the secular right early on.

Because of Shas-UTJ, Lieberman can be put out of the coalition. This is a fracture point that Kadima and co will try to exploit. I don't actually give a crap about civil marriage inIsrael, but a lot of people do (old Shinui supporters for instance). It's a red line for both sides it seems.

[Yala]

Because of Shas-UTJ, Lieberman can be put out of the coalition. This is a fracture point that Kadima and co will try to exploit.

If Netanyahu has a party with all religious right wing nuts (UTJ is not really right-wing but you get my drift) he, too, will look nuts. He does not desire a coalition with them, rather one with Lieberman and Kadima, which I suppose is the best option. Lieberman and Kadima are also more "pragmatic" than Shas. By "pragmatic" I mean they are both not against getting rid of some Arab parts of Jerusalem, whereas Shas is completely against any division of Jerusalem.

Also, if you remember Netanyahu as FM saved Israel's economy by slashing the welfare payments to the Ultra-Orthodox and Arabs who have tons of kids. This actually changed the demographics in Israel's favor and as I said saved the economy. If he brings in all these ultra-Orthodox parties he will have to promise them the welfare back and as you know he's against it. He will only do it if his back is up against the wall.

I don't actually give a crap about civil marriage inIsrael, but a lot of people do (old Shinui supporters for instance). It's a red line for both sides it seems.

Me neither. I wish Lieberman's "red lines" were the land swaps.

[bararallu]

Also, if you remember Netanyahu as FM saved Israel's economy by slashing the welfare payments to the Ultra-Orthodox and Arabs who have tons of kids. This actually changed the demographics in Israel's favor and as I said saved the economy. If he brings in all these ultra-Orthodox parties he will have to promise them the welfare back and as you know he's against it. He will only do it if his back is up against the wall.

This is indeed what saves Bibi from the damage he did to himself w/ Hebron etc.

Me neither. I wish Lieberman's "red lines" were the land swaps.

Much of the center of Lieberman party are *ideological* secularists. This is a big thing in Israel. His stated agenda, other than the Arab Israeli conflict is basically de-orthodox the country. Not much different from Shinui's platform. His party is basically a newer version of Shinui. He also wants to get the Russian speaking poor/retirees from smaller parties and labor. Basically people that can be hussled and made to vote in a block- very effective demographic for Shas btw. That's a lot to undertake but that is what will take to get him past the 20 mandate mark to make him a 1st tier party. I personally don't see him delivering on much, but fanfare.

His MK staffing is questionable to begin with. We no doubt have very smart people, but with nil gov experience, nil negotiation experience and predominantly in the Russian speaking sector. Not articulate Hebrew speakers all of them to say the least. The younger Soviet emigres from my gen aliah (70s) don't vote for him they're too Israeli, they vote Likud or now Kadima down the line, so even then I'd question his staying power. He needs a major win to stay in power and it really all depends on him getting into this govt and getting the home agenda driven well before any Arab Israeli issue gets talked about. The economy generally will take all attention away from anything else, unless there is another Iranian driven attack.

[CanDo]

There really is no need to expel anyone at this point.

The expulsion of ALL Arabs/Muslims should have been done back in 1948. But... those were very difficult times, with Israel's basic survival in question, so just the fact that Israel survived against impossible odds, albeit at great loss, was a remarkable achievement.

The sooner that ungrateful, deceitful Arabs/Muslims leave Israel, the better. The best time to do this was yesterday. The Arab/Muslim population of Israel is a terrible burden that Israelis should not have to tolerate.

Most of Israel's Arabs/Muslims hate the state of Israel. If they love Arab ruled states, let them live in one. To me it is urgent that the separation happens asap. The sooner the better.

Someway, somehow, Israel's government has to find a way to achieve a totally Jewish Israel, with minimum repercussions from the rest of the world.

A law needs to be passed that you have to be Jewish to belong to the Jewish state. Give the Muslims the opportunity to convert to Judaism. Conversion should include mandatory attendance at Jewish temples and in Jewish schools, over a period of years. Saudi Arabia, among other Muslim countries, enforce religious laws. Why can't that apply to Israel also?

[Yala]

How many Druzim are citizens of Israel? I'm not referring to Golan Druze who as far a I know 90% are not citizens.

[bararallu]

How many Druzim are citizens of Israel? I'm not referring to Golan Druze who as far a I know 90% are not citizens.

You know a significant proportion of Golan "Druze" are actually Alawite Arabs- not all Ismaili derivatives are the same , but they are often in most places one references. This is a historic application of taqiaa as employed by various Shia sects.

The Israeli Druze.

[bararallu]

Saudi Arabia, among other Muslim countries, enforce religious laws. Why can't that apply to Israel also?

because we don't want to live in a shithole?

[alla]

cando:After nearly sixty years on the sidelines, Israel's third and final enemy may be joining the battle.
There is a big enemy that nobody is talking about. They are russians(so called kolbasy aliyah). Inherently antisemitic, violently hateful, some are putin's agents with agenda they infiltrated Israel with the goal to make it a russian autonomy. Most don't give a crap about civil marriages and making a convert Anastasiya Mihaeli (Mihalevskaya) a member of a Kneset. Russia is taking over in a peaceful way and nobody gives a crap.
Arabs together with Russia failed to destroy Israel militarily and now they take another approach. Jews who marry russian women will have russian children and the next generation in their families will be a part of ethnic russian community. Why nobody pays attention? Arabs are an enemy but what about russian silent threat???? Just like Osetia and Kosovo became separate entitities the same will happen to Israel when russians organize and become a majority in the country. I dont' want Israel to become russian autonomy!!!!!!

[Mil]

You are obsessed with these Russians. You have some personal issue with this people or something?