Northlander , I would argue that your logic has some considerable blind spots and is critically flawed with the steady diet of â€œAnti-America Garbageâ€ that you hear in Europe. From our perspective itâ€™s absolutely galling especially coming from you in Sweden, the country that sold the Nazis steel for their war machine during WWII and did little else to rid the world of the murderous Nazi regime. If it werenâ€™t for the U.S. and our allies you would be doing the goose step to the factory everyday and speaking German.
This conflict, or campaign labeled by some as â€œAmericaâ€™s New Warâ€ is not about America and what we should, or should not have done over the past 5 or 10 or even 50 years. It is about Islam! The vehement anger directed at the west by men like Osama bin Laden has been within Islam for centuries, and so has their frustration and always their hatred for others they blame for their plight. These things are not our doing; we have simply become the latest embodiment of a long line of interfering infidels. Yes, in recent times we have been forced to go to war against Iraq, and yes, we still impose sanctions against them, and we still support Israel. Yes, we have our military stationed in areas of the holy land in Saudi Arabia, but unless we are willing to abandon the Jewish people, allow Saddam Hussein the freedom to continue to build weapons of terror and mass destruction, and pretend that we accept the charade that Islam is a peaceful â€œreligionâ€, and that the oil from the region is not the fuel that drives the western world, the terrorist network will not be content, nor will they live in this world peacefully with us. Americans must be better world citizens, okay this is a good idea, but it wonâ€™t mean much to the Islamic world. We are damned if we do and damned if we donâ€™t. Look at our efforts to promote peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians; one side is going to hate us no matter what we do. The Islamic fundamentalists and extremists stand against us, because we stand in their way to turn back the hands of time, to dictatorial, oppressive control, totalitarianism under the guise of religion.
It seems the â€œAnti-American" â€“ â€œAnti-Warâ€ â€œPeace Activistsâ€ like yourself Northlander are failing to understand the challenge is not just political. The fact of the matter is that Fundamentalist Islamic leaders, Clerics, Mullahs and Narcissistic â€œWar Lordsâ€ like Osama bin Laden all over the world have declared â€œJihadâ€ holy war, not only against America, but against all the non-Islam believers, all Jews and all those of Christian faiths, all those from the west, your hometown too Northlander. â€œAny American civilian, or non-believing infidel is a target. This is indeed a war of cultures. Osama bin Laden, and all Islamic Fundamentalists like him and all the other terrorist groups want to push the world into a war dividing Islam against Christianity. As a matter of fact they are insisting on it.
The United States was attacked and, at the very least by an Islamic terrorist, extremist act of war, just new methods of delivery. The United States, Israel, maybe England and a hand full of other nations will lead the nations of free and democratic societies to finally put an end to this madness, and these atrocities committed against free societies. The United States, England, and our allies (if they can be called that, whereâ€™s Swedenâ€™s voice?) can no longer live like we have, cowering with our collective heads in the sand, protecting ourselves by merely hoping that the bad neighborhood remains afar and doesnâ€™t come to us like the Europeans did prior to both WWI and WWII. The Islamic barbarians have this time upped the ante. They have brought the bad neighborhood to us this time, and have made it painfully clear that they will stop at nothing. They have forced our hand and so be it.
The suggestion of some that the United States was ready to â€œStart a Warâ€ is laughable. It is hard to imagine being less prepared for the events of September 11th. These murders just killed thousands of people in plain view of most of the world utilizing our U.S. designed and built aircraft, visible to the world via television and the absolute terror, death and inhumane atrocities they inflict on the people they control within their regimes will continue to surface on CNN for of us all to see. You would think that the â€œPeace Activistsâ€ and the voice of the far left and the Euros would be eager to fight a foe that totally eliminates the voice, and thereby the intellect, and the contributions of half of their populations, (women) wouldnâ€™t you? The oppression of women is so cruel and brutal within Islam that it of course crushes free thought, but also reduces the existence of women to nearly non-existence, which begs the question why are you ignoring this, and simply whining about America being a brute etc., etc., holding dismally attended marches and protests, making yourselves look like fools?
Poverty and education are at the root of these problems worldwide. We are also dealing with a war of the mind. Since the seventh century their leaders have been poisoning the minds of their people, and for the last 40+ years we have been taking the Euro approach to this problem by sitting back and allowing these regimes to continue the brainwashing process, merely attempting to protect our own interests. They have not high jacked Islam, or twisted religious beliefs of an Islamic religion to suit their extremist insanity. There is no peaceful Islam, merely an ideology and it is not peaceful. The Koran is steeped in violence and it instructs violence. Mohamedâ€™s total disregard and documented instructions for the repression, manipulation and devaluation of women is beyond oneâ€™s imagination in any form of a modern world. And that is one of the basic problems with Islam. Its leaders want the world to go backwards in time to at least the twelfth (12th) century where Islam can be practiced in its â€œPurest Senseâ€, and that requires a completely backwards-barbaric medieval society. Everywhere Islam exists in this world there is terrorist horror happening. And this has been going on long before even the (12th) century, (Northlander you might note this time frame is well before the U.S. appeared on the scene) and according to the Muslims, it is entirely the non-Muslimâ€™s fault. The Muslims take responsibility for nothing.
The world finally has the opportunity, the necessary tools, and hopefully soon will garner the collective will to eradicated these terrorists and destroy the â€˜Islamistâ€™sâ€™ will to fight period. How easy it would be to deliver a Nuclear Weapon to downtown Washington DC, or New York, or any city in Europe or the USA for that matter. Are we really this stupid? Are we not forgetting that this can be done easily?
We have been living under a false sense of safety, and security in an environment foolishly thought to be devoid of danger for us here in the U.S. and all over Europe for decades.
Non-violence and passivity only "work," when there are other compelling elements at work, such as growing up in the most powerful nation in the world with men and women willing to put their lives on the line for our freedom and liberty and the safety of our society. Conversely Non-violence and Passivity only works in nations that exist next door to such protection, or have it available to them when they are attacked. In essence the non-violent and passive non-aggressor nations like Sweden and all of Western Europe has to rely on and be protected by those NOT non-violent and the NOT passive.
Seems you're intent on offering â€œmore peaceâ€ to these totalitarian, tyrannical dictators. It wonâ€™t work and passivity and submission are suicidal behaviors in this current environment period.
We have allowed ourselves to live in a foolâ€™s paradise with the futile expectation that human nature had somehow changed. Surely one can see the vulnerabilities exposed recently in our totally open and porous societies, and that in order to continue to enjoy freedom and liberty for all we have to defend it again. There is as there always have been evil people in this world. Isnâ€™t it interesting that democratic nations seem to never get into wars with each other? Just a thought.
We selfishly assumed that we were secure, as long as this terrorism was happening on the other side of the world, and as long as our military kept us safe. We assumed our world was safe, in an environment foolishly thought to be devoid of danger. A pacifistic approach is mindless and if carried out, suicidal.
I suggest we stop complaining about the problems we are faced with, and start putting our collective heads together to find solutions and methods to obtain the desired results before Saddam has one or more of the terrorist groups deliver us a Nuclear weapon or any WMD in one of the Saudiâ€™s Corporate Jets, and we have 100,000 or millions of people dead in one day.
We are all in this one together Northlander, like it or not. I might remind the â€œAnti-Americanâ€ â€“ â€œAnti-Warâ€ activists that they, and their families are just as vulnerable as our citizens that died in New York, Washington, D.C., Pennsylvania, and Florida were.
Does anyone think for one minute that this terrorism is finished?
Here are three questions I would like to have answered by the European â€œAnti-Americaâ€ â€œAnti-Warâ€ peace activists, and/or any of the homegrown pacifists.
1.) How many more people have to die before you would enact a forceful military engagement against these terrorist groups and the nations that are aiding and abetting them? What is the damn number? Lets hear it!!
2.) How long do you think it will be before another terrorist attack happens again, and maybe in your neighborhood?
3.) And finally, If not now when, and if not us, who?
Whereâ€™s the outrage is right, Northlander? I suggest that you and your neighbors over there wake up.