Israel launches attacks on Gaza Strip

[L@mplighterM]

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip, Sept. 24 — Israeli tanks backed by helicopters stormed into Gaza City early Tuesday and battled Palestinian gunmen in clashes that left nine Palestinians dead and 24 injured, hospital officials said. Meanwhile, the siege of Yasser Arafat’s offices continued, after talks on Monday between Palestinian and Israeli officials failed to produce a compromise.

AL AQSA LEADER KILLED
One of the nine men killed was Mohammed Kishkho, 45, a local leader of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades militia, linked to Yasser Arafat’s Fatah movement. Kishkho died of shrapnel wounds suffered from tank shell explosion, said Dr. Moawia Hassanein at Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital.

http://msnbc.com/news/801833.asp

It seems like the IDF has given up on the Urban warfare tactics.

It's about time!

[Shlomo]

It is imperative that we do capture the leaders of the enemies of Israel. But let us not narrow our objective. The plan to annihilate Israel has been re-invented. Arafat and the other 22 Arab Nations have re-applied the plan of 1947. The plan is basically simple, but complex.


The following plan developes a sickle shaped formation around Israel. At the handle is the strength of Egypt, at four o'clock lies Saudi Arabia and Yemen, at three o'clock lies Jordan, Iraq, Iran, at two and one o'clock lie Syria, Lebanon, Turkey. With this sickle shaped formation it is their (Arab Nations) intent to cut off the head off of Israel and push the body into the Mediteranian Sea as they have been stating for several years in their speeches.


That is their simple formula, the complexity comes in when they use diverse methods of terrorism throughout different countries of the world to politically off set the major democratic countries, to "spread them out thin" as it were, in different areas of the world militarily. Their real goal of annihilating Israel becomes easier by creating a political. media facade against Israel, while the major power countries are busy in other countries. Their plan considers destroying their enemies from within by deliberately moving and settling in other countries. But not in a terrorist manner, but through legitimizing their existence and softening the leaders of these countries into accepting them as moderate believers. This is one of their greatest tools or assests to use and it is extremly effective to say the least. After they have obtain the acceptance, then they move on to further steps of educating the local children and converting them as well to the Islamic way of life. This way they change the religious demographics to 80% or better to Islam. It is the same effort they tried to accomplish in the 7th century.

[yaaqub ishaq]

Originally posted by Shlomo
This is one of their greatest tools or assests to use and it is extremly effective to say the least. After they have obtain the acceptance, then they move on to further steps of educating the local children and converting them as well to the Islamic way of life. This way they change the religious demographics to 80% or better to Islam. It is the same effort they tried to accomplish in the 7th century.

can you name a country in which islamic groups have recently converted its population to the islamic faith?

[alexbmn]

I pray this is start of larger offensive on Gaza.Both Sharon and Ben Eliezer have been hinting at it. A large scale assault in Gaza would crush the Pals' morale.

[yaaqub ishaq]

Originally posted by alexbmn
I pray this is start of larger offensive on Gaza.Both Sharon and Ben Eliezer have been hinting at it. A large scale assault in Gaza would crush the Pals' morale.

hamas is not a tangible entity. it is more like a virus. a full scale assault on the palestinian territories creates the ideal conditions for spreading that virus.

you can't crush the morale of people who are willing to commit suicide with military strength. this seems fairly obvious to me. the available evidence seems to support my theory, while debunking yours.

[Miriam]

Originally posted by yaaqub ishaq
hamas is not a tangible entity. it is more like a virus. a full scale assault on the palestinian territories creates the ideal conditions for spreading that virus.

you can't crush the morale of people who are willing to commit suicide with military strength. this seems fairly obvious to me. the available evidence seems to support my theory, while debunking yours.

Interesting. So is this solid knowledge or theory?

You may be right that applying military measures only will not work. But then there is also intelligence work, which probably requires the co-operation of the international community Israel is being refused for years. Hamas and similar organisations are still free to operate in most European countries, for one - not exactly a fact that makes me feel well in my European Jewsih shoes either...

[minusthejihad]

the israelis morals are goin down, and you can see sharon is a worthless leader

That's funny, I don't see it.

[Mr. Pumps]

Great!

Hit back HARD! I think Bush is foolhardy to comment on a nation defending it's very survival, if the Palestinians wanted peace it should have came 23 month ago.

For the handycapped this has been a prolonged conflict. and while I do think peace is needed, Arafat is not the one to bargain with and renegade groups will have to be annhilated because they will never be stopped of doing their criminal activities. That means Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Hamas and all others who would'nt make peace with the Jewish state in hundred million years.

[Mediocrates]

I doubt the IDF cares too much about the Palestinian morale since they are a bottomless well of discontent sitting in their huge UN run and Palestinian guarded 'camps' up and down Gaza.

The fact is that when faced with the 90,000+ sized camps in Gaza (compared to the small 1500 - 15000) camps in Judea that the only way to approach the situation tactically is with conventional large scale military force. Urban door to door tactics work on a small scale but not when surrounded a 100:1.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by SoMuchMass


what was the point of that??? irrelevant,

The point was, dear heart, is that on it's face, a 'massive'millitary retaliation is really about tactics and not intent, much less outcome.

[alexbmn]

lol.Its funny how much ignorant ******** my post provoked.Prior to Defensive Shield the Palestinians were tasting victory,and not many understand how badly the operation dashed their hopes.They simply didnt think that Israel had the guts to stage a large urban offensive under massive international condemnation.(this is me quoting an Army and intelligence sources from an article in Haaretz.Isnt it obvious that the population would be less willing to support and engage in terrorist acts if it would mean their death, destruction of their houses and towns and expulsion of their families? Israel morale is the highest its been in a long time,Sharon enjoys extremely high ratings and why not. The number of successfull attacks and Israeli casualties is the lowest its been in months.An unprecedented number of mid and top tier level planners have been liquidated. The suggestions of a cease fire have been floating around,which were not heard of at all during the successfull march "terror offensive"
Gazans are the mosr radicalized of all Pals and still believe that Israel fears going into their sector.But the upcoming operation will prove them wrong.

[nuchamuhl]

Funny . Gaza is where the IDF shoulda been all along. The absurd Ramallah move just saved dirty Yassir's neck once again. Just when the world was turning on him. The US is upset ---for once with some real cause. Gaza is an incrediblely racist sewer. It needs the IDF attention --badly . . If you wanna end the terror Hamas and Jihad must be largely eliminated ----in Gaza.

[alexbmn]

Hamas are getting delirious.They are warning Israel that they will destroy one tank for every house razed.It wasnt them who detroyed those three Israeli tanks in the first place.Their specialty in exploding in pizzerias and killing women and babies.In fact i dont remember one successfull operation that they pulled off against the military.

[Shlomo]

Originally posted by yaaqub ishaq
can you name a country in which islamic groups have recently converted its population to the islamic faith?

Yaaqub,


"recently" is a mute point. 70 countries were infiltrated from within and from without beginning in 632 AD to the present with a present major population between 55-99% Islamic forced coversions. According to the Koran, it is necessary to fill the world, which means to convert all countries to the Islamic way of life. This is called today the "new or continuing expansionism" being placed upon todays society by the Islamic heiarchy. Since the defeat of the Islamic expansionism in the 1400's Islamic believers have been despondent. Which they rightfully feel, but this is the cause and the effect perpretrated on people who end up being ruled by a system that does not separate religion and state.


These countries are economically depressed, lacking a degree of secular education, resources that are not allowed in their countries to improve their well-being etc. The only country that is not economically depressed, is Saudi Arabia and that is due to the immense amount of crude oil in their country. Without such economic leverage they too would be in an economic depression. Now you may argue the Christians have shown their hand at expansionism and you would be correct. They also have force people to convert under the penalty of torture or death etc.
And the irony of difference between the christians and muslims is one adheres to a separation of church and state and the other does not.


But the "key factor" in my opinion is the idea of forced conversions and the methods to obtain such a lofty goal by violating the basic civil and humanitarian rights of the people of the world.

[yaaqub ishaq]

Originally posted by Shlomo
"recently" is a mute point. 70 countries were infiltrated from within and from without beginning in 632 AD to the present with a present major population between 55-99% Islamic forced coversions.

moot point.. how is it moot? 632 AD? are you being serious? i guess this is the same line of logic which leads zionists to justify crimes against humanity in palestine with ancient quotes from the Torah.