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[Sharona]

Maven - a thought. As yet you are getting no responses from the people you have contacted and this makes me wonder. Why not?

Is there a chance that a Newschannel may be seen as being not in Israel's best interests - for whatever reason? We can only see the pro's but I'm wondering what the 'cons' might be.

[maven]

Maven - a thought. As yet you are getting no responses from the people you have contacted and this makes me wonder. Why not?

Is there a chance that a Newschannel may be seen as being not in Israel's best interests - for whatever reason? We can only see the pro's but I'm wondering what the 'cons' might be.

Well Sharona, I wrote a few people before Shabbat so don't expect to hear for a few days. The problem is eternal, it is because some brainless bimbo tries to murder every email that they do not have to pass on to their boss.

It is vital to Israel's future. Without a newschannel Israel has no future. Israel is losing the Information War and even many British secular leftist and liberal Jews are turning against it's continued existance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

[Sharona]

My thoughts are that it is very difficult for something like this to make an impact if it is believed to be the work of one person.

See how it goes post-Shabbat, Maven, and if nothing happens I'd suggest a group approach. That is, dream up a name, get a few supporters, create a letterhead and Bob's your uncle. Job done. It's is really quite amazing to see how people who didn't listen in the past begin to show interest.

[Sharona]

I've had a chance to listen to Kaufmann now.

Is it just me or is there something a little unhealthy in everything that is going on right now? And I don't just mean with Gerald.

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories - most of them you can drive a truck through if you apply a little critical thinking - but the situation is just looking quite strange at the moment.

One day we'll have the media blasting Israel and the Jews; then the BBC will show a tribute to Anne Frank and another program about the Holocaust. The next week we'll have a reporter inside a meeting where an extremist cleric is ranting; then there will be completely biased pro-Muslim stuff in all the newspapers. We'll have a 'Wasn't the Iranian culture wonderful?' program, followed by another revisiting the Fatwah on Salman Rusdie.

It's like they are being played off against each other with the public getting behind one or other of the two. Like a bizarre football game.

With all that is going on in the world it appears to be these two groups who are getting such odd and constant treatment.

[bararallu]

The "good Jews/bad Jews" juxtaposition has been going on for centuries now. Flattering dead or appeasing Jews while smiting any Jewish self respect, and certainly Jewish self determination, is an age old canard. I remember reading about Moses Mendelssohn, and how initially he was depicted as a disgusting hook nosed Jew... until someone recognized him for a philosopher of standing and associate of the then great philosophers of central Europe. It's more subtle now, but essentially the same. Finkelstein and Chomsky and their ilk allow the gentile anti-Semites to structure their Jew hate carefully and focus their energy on Jewish self determination and ethno-cultural coherency.

[Sharona]

Yes - I agree, up to a point. My husband and I were talking about it only the other day. I get a little cross with him because, as the son of an expelled ME Jewish family, brought up in France, this is all water off a ducks back and nothing seems to ruffle those feathers much. He can't even be bothered to talk about it. 'Same old, same old' is about all you get as he switches on the football or rugby.

I can't really find the words I need to explain why this feels different. Perhaps because the world has changed quite a bit since the last time I recall the 'anti' feeling rising. I don't recall people thinking 'Time to go!' quite as much as they are right now.

Perhaps it's the Iranian/Obama/Cast Lead/Wilders/Ahmed et al. arriving one on top of the other.

[maven]

I've had a chance to listen to Kaufmann now.

Is it just me or is there something a little unhealthy in everything that is going on right now? And I don't just mean with Gerald.

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories - most of them you can drive a truck through if you apply a little critical thinking - but the situation is just looking quite strange at the moment.

One day we'll have the media blasting Israel and the Jews; then the BBC will show a tribute to Anne Frank and another program about the Holocaust. The next week we'll have a reporter inside a meeting where an extremist cleric is ranting; then there will be completely biased pro-Muslim stuff in all the newspapers. We'll have a 'Wasn't the Iranian culture wonderful?' program, followed by another revisiting the Fatwah on Salman Rusdie.

It's like they are being played off against each other with the public getting behind one or other of the two. Like a bizarre football game.

With all that is going on in the world it appears to be these two groups who are getting such odd and constant treatment.

It's very simple Sharona. People will forgive you for launching a war that succeeds but if you mess up the world turns against you. Even though President Bush eventually succeeeded in Iraq he took and still takes a lot of flak for the missmanagement.

People would have accepted a war in which Israel destroyed the power of Hamas in Gaza so that the US and the EU would have been begging Olmert to let the PA back in to provide security.

But people will not forgive a cynical war which needlessly cost Israeli miliitary lives (not that they care about that) but also women and children in Gaza and then ended up being halted so Obama could have a nice day on his inaugeration. A war that achieved nothing.

The government of Israel have thrown petrol on the flames of anti-Semitism and now a fire is raging that threatens to destroy Israel itself. Throughout this disaster while Press TV Iran and Al Jazeera English poured out anti-Israel propaganda and BBC/CNN etc sided with the pals, Israel was silent except for poor Mark Regev who was dragged out of his bed at all times of night to defend Israel.

This is a new era, information is power and the power is against us. If you read my earlier post it gives the argument for Israel to have her own newschannel.

The BBC and other Western media are trying to burn both ends of the candle; express the outrage against Israel while at the same time moving to protect and promote positive images of Jews.

Secular British Jews, especially young people, are turning against the State of Israel in droves.

[bararallu]

Well more theoretically, Jewish emancipation in Europe (which is a relatively recent phenomena) hasn't been reconciled with Jewish self determination and civilizational re-consolidation. And that furthermore needs to be understood in terms of both European ethno-religious history vis-a-vis minorities as well as recent (and I would say failing) drive towards post-nationalism. It's not a simple analysis by no means, I hope I didn't imply it to be such. And the UK is rather different from continental trends (like in France) in many ways- it's more of a true nexus of latter multicultural states like US, Canada, Brazil and Australia and purely ethno-national states like Germany and Poland.

On some level one can make a comparison and on another there is a disconnect. On point the BBC- who knows if it is in anyway a representation of the interest and ideological commitments of the UK public at large. I would think most wouldn't care hearing about Jews one way or the other.

[Sharona]

Maybe I was younger, too, Maven Or so caught up in my own world of family and its needs that there wasn't time to speculate.

Because of the work I've recently done, I've seen just how widespread things are below the radar. For example, ideologies which originate from Alice Bailey being taught in schools in the USA - which is perhaps something even their own parents don't realise; and if they did, have they any idea who Bailey was and who is now connected to her organisation? Like Bill Gates and Bill Clinton for example. Not the tiniest cheeses on the board. Her predecessor, Blavatsky, was one of Hitler's 'must have' authors. A copy of her book was found, heavily annotated in his library.

Just 'cos I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me

[maven]

Maybe I was younger, too, Maven Or so caught up in my own world of family and its needs that there wasn't time to speculate.

Because of the work I've recently done, I've seen just how widespread things are below the radar. For example, ideologies which originate from Alice Bailey being taught in schools in the USA - which is perhaps something even their own parents don't realise; and if they did, have they any idea who Bailey was and who is now connected to her organisation? Like Bill Gates and Bill Clinton for example. Not the tiniest cheeses on the board. Her predecessor, Blavatsky, was one of Hitler's 'must have' authors. A copy of her book was found, heavily annotated in his library.

Just 'cos I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me

You don't need to be parnoid to know that they are out to get you Sharona dear. We have not only to get our message out but this channel could also hold government of Israel to account and hopefully prevent them blundering about by making them argue their case and listen to the advice of others including the diaspora in front of the whole world.

For too long Jews depended on others to provide their security and we got the Holocaust. For too long Jews have allowed others to put the case for and against them and that will lead to another Holocaust.

Time to sail our own well-armed International Media Battleship into the murky waters of the information War.

[Sharona]

Maven - how about Trever Asseson?


http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp511.htm

Or even 'Honest Reporting'?

If they showed any inclination to help you could explain that you don't want a profile in this.

I'm going to send out an email or two in the next couple of days, attaching your letter if that's OK.

[Y. Shulamith]

The "good Jews/bad Jews" juxtaposition has been going on for centuries now. Flattering dead or appeasing Jews while smiting any Jewish self respect, and certainly Jewish self determination, is an age old canard. I remember reading about Moses Mendelssohn, and how initially he was depicted as a disgusting hook nosed Jew... until someone recognized him for a philosopher of standing and associate of the then great philosophers of central Europe. It's more subtle now, but essentially the same. Finkelstein and Chomsky and their ilk allow the gentile anti-Semites to structure their Jew hate carefully and focus their energy on Jewish self determination and ethno-cultural coherency.

Mendelssohn was a self-hating Jewish idiot who thought that Jews could assimilate into German society and be accepted as full Germans, with all the rights and privileges accorded them.

In fact, the more Jews try to assimilate and out gentile the gentiles, the more they are hated and loathed and the holocaust, with all of the reasons that it did happen, Jew loathing didn't go away ever and, in fact, the more Jews tried to appear gentile, the more they became people who were disrespected, hated, ferreted out for special loathing and brought to genocide.

[maven]

Maven - how about Trever Asseson?


http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp511.htm

Or even 'Honest Reporting'?

If they showed any inclination to help you could explain that you don't want a profile in this.

I'm going to send out an email or two in the next couple of days, attaching your letter if that's OK.

Thanks Sharona, Anything you can do to help but as I say better 'keep to keep it in the family' and just contact individuals rather than going public. I've sent a second email to Mark Regev today through the Washington Embassy, looks like the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Jerusalem did'nt forward the last one. I also wrote Debkafile who are a very odd bunch and you never know if the email even went through or not, they certainly never answer. you could indeed try 'Honest reporting' they may have a contact. Keep up the good work!

[maven]

Maven - how about Trever Asseson?


http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp511.htm

Or even 'Honest Reporting'?

If they showed any inclination to help you could explain that you don't want a profile in this.

I'm going to send out an email or two in the next couple of days, attaching your letter if that's OK.

Thanks Sharona, Anything you can do to help but as I say better 'keep to keep it in the family' and just contact individuals rather than going public. I've sent a second email to Mark Regev today through the Washington Embassy, looks like the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Jerusalem did'nt forward the last one. I also wrote Debkafile who are a very odd bunch and you never know if the email even went through or not, they certainly never answer. you could indeed try 'Honest reporting' they may have a contact. Keep up the good work! I'll email Trevor Asserson.

Please do use the letter, thanks again.

[Oberon]

I sent an email with your post and a link here to a couple of people, but I don't know whether it will get through or not, but in any case such a News Channel is a good idea.

I also wrote Debkafile who are a very odd bunch and you never know if the email even went through or not, they certainly never answer.

I suspect they are Spooks of one sort or another, at least they strike me that way, not that I have a problem with their info, I don't know of anything I've read there that was false or misleading that I know of, but I doubt they respond to the public, at least they don't strike me as the type of organization that will respond, assuming it's not just some guy in his basement.