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From a certain perspective, it was a zero loss or gain move for the great Orator. Iran is hostile to the US (and Israel) im order to primarily: 1. re-enforce internal control against revolt and 2. promote shia political expansion in the greater Araby.
Unless Obama was ready to admit that Iran had the right to pursue nuclear technology, and that it was right in calling for Israels destruction, they could not politically do anything else but scoff him. Obama's speech was targeted at a particular group, and they were not Iranian Mullahs, they were American bleeding hearts who expect him to do these things. He's a politician like the rest, he has a platform he was elected on and he needs to meet some promises (in the attempt) to get potentially re-elected. This was a no brainier. But what it will do externally is just bolster the Iranian regime, who will use the attempt to subtly demonstrate that the great Satan is fading, begging for forgiveness. Every single Liberal in Iran was stabbed in the back by the speech.
Within two years I expect a renewed and pretty radical isolationism in the US. Obama + the Paleo conservatives will attempt to stick their heads in the sand. And that is when the S* will hit the fan.
Not really.Originally Posted by bararallu
It showed that voting in the Great Thievorator as president of the US didn't make the whole world fall in love with America, as our resident Leftists promised us before the election. On the contrary - the world now views us with even more scorn and our enemies are laughing their heads off at how weak and stupid our country has become.
And Iran is not even the only country to laugh at America these days. North Korea has threatened outright war for the first time, Russia knows that it can dictate a new arms race not seen in this country since the days of JFK. And even the NATO commander is laughing at Obama's troop plans for Afghanistan.
I would say that the Great Thieverator has taken the same beating on the foreign relations front as he has on the domestic front. Every time he opens his mouth, things get worse and worse for our country. Maybe he should take the hint...
"All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon
I'd say things, in general, around the world have made us "more popular" though I am in doubt that this was an important endeavor, on our part, although having a well-spoken president rebuffed is as rebuffing as having a less articulate one rebuffed! A rebuff is a rebuff by any other name!
We are still the "great Satan" to the M.E., but I wouldn't have figured any different. They have to keep that spin going in order to keep their brethren from turning against their own governments and that means, turning up the heat and making sure that hate rhetoric is turned up even louder!!
I mean in making the speech for Obama, not the consequences for the rest of the world and the US.
Do you think the joint chiefs of staff expect the Mullahs to embrace the US? That the speech can in anyway "reset" the relationship with an tyrannical regime bent on regional domination and continuing their reign of terror in Iran itself... I personally don't. Which brings up a more probable scenario- that it was done for internal consumption. So the people who bought all those colorful buttons and that have written so many nice words about him can feel better about themselves... and then are probably willing to do so again with that said.
Obama' overtures didn't cost a dime! He will get it back in the "good will" of all the "I told you so's" who laud this "effort" to make enemies into friends.
Let us just hope that this "Neville Chamberlain-like" experiment doesn't become foreign policy.
Let us hope and pray.
Don't you love these neutral LA Times journalists? From the posted article:
President Obama's extraordinary Persian New Year gesture
LOL
"It is cheap to attack Israel. I am certainly not going to make a cheap attack on Israel by howling in the woods with the rest of the wolves." - Geert Wilders
When would be nuclear clowns like Iran are close to getting these weapons and neither the carrot nor the stick works......I wonder, what next?
No, not that!!
On what basis do you say that? The contrary is true.
Except there's one major difference. Obama ran for president on the basis that electing him will boost America's standing in the world. He obviously lied. He also promised America's Leftists and others that talking with Iran will solve all our problems. Again, he obviously lied.having a well-spoken president rebuffed is as rebuffing as having a less articulate one rebuffed! A rebuff is a rebuff by any other name!
Turns out that the president who was less articulate, was correct all along about dealing with Iran, while the lying thief Obama has been proven wrong on all counts. He may be a better speaker than Bush, but it's just humiliating seeing Obama's lies exposed time and time again.
"Change we can believe in?" I think not.
Last edited by NewsGuy; 03-21-2009 at 07:31 PM. Reason: typo
"All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon
No, but the American voters who were duped into voting for Obama sure did believe that because that's exactly what they were promised.
Yes, that's exactly what this is about. You hit the nail on the head.Which brings up a more probable scenario- that it was done for internal consumption. So the people who bought all those colorful buttons and that have written so many nice words about him can feel better about themselves... and then are probably willing to do so again with that said.
This is for Loony Left consumption in places like San Francisco and the Village in NY.
"All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon
Time will tell the full goings on.....I, for one cannot tell exactly what will transpire; however, I am a little disappointed about having any kind of "mandatory" service instituted here in the USA.
That's what you get with an (.....) in training.
Stab Israel in the back, send money to Hamas, kick Poland in the rear, kiss Russia's instead, make a fool of yourself in Iran, borrow from the Chinese, and ignore the NK gnome until he throws a narcissistic fit. Good one.
And they say GWB was dumb.
I'm with B. He did it all for internal consumption.
"It is cheap to attack Israel. I am certainly not going to make a cheap attack on Israel by howling in the woods with the rest of the wolves." - Geert Wilders
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