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    Michael Oren is Gold!

    Well I´ll be ......

    When I lived in BeerSheva beginning 90s, some weekends I went to Sde Boker. Together with Michael Oren we drove through the Negev with a jeep. He was living in the kibbutz working on some thesis. I had so many discussions with him about Zionism, Judaism, history and Israel. He was and probably still is very close to the Israeli government, constantly he had some amazing stories to tell!

    This guy is it! He is made out of the best stuff!

    Michael rules!

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    Re: Michael Oren is Gold!

    Do you know the old Russian Jewish joke on this?

    Bolsheviks go to a Chaim's house to get valuables as they been told that he has gold.
    Bolsheviks: - Chaim, we've been told you are hiding gold in your house!
    Chaim: - Yes, all 200pounds of it! Sarah, My Gold, they finally came for you!


    Oren's "Six Days" research is really top notch. His other book on the "Middle East and America" is a bit pathetic - full of stereotypes and reads more like a "bathroom reader" with the likes of "Did you know that...." (Oren trying to be Fromkin but it's not working out).

    Though he does sound like a good choice.
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    Re: Michael Oren is Gold!

    As always, The sound and the fury are more important. Oren's value is in being able to clearly articulate in unaccented English what Israel's issues are. For too long Israeli foreign policy has been dominated by old men and women who curry political favor but can barely communicate. Even Peres, who can speak English fairly well should have worked with a speech coach decades ago. Many of the Arab leaders have done this or at least have learned English in England.

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    Yeah - Oren speaks good English. Netaniahu speaks very good Ingles as well.
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    Oren seems very promising so far. It's always a huge improvement when Israel has spokepeople who can speak English well and look American.

    Sallai Meridor was terrible, and it's beyond me how he managed to rise through he ranks all these years. No doubt political nepotism.

    While we're on this topic, it would be good if they replaced Gabriela Shalev at the UN, too.

    Now Israel should focus on sending some good spokespeople to Europe.
    "All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon

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    Re: Michael Oren is Gold!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates View Post
    For too long Israeli foreign policy has been dominated by old men and women who curry political favor but can barely communicate.
    Remember David Levy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mil View Post
    Oren's "Six Days" research is really top notch. His other book on the "Middle East and America" is a bit pathetic - full of stereotypes and reads more like a "bathroom reader" with the likes of "Did you know that...." (Oren trying to be Fromkin but it's not working out).
    Can you elaborate on this? I wanted to read it

    Newsguy:
    While we're on this topic, it would be good if they replaced Gabriela Shalev at the UN, too.
    Oh, I definitely agree. Gillerman was top notch and his accent was not detrimental in any way. I don't think accents are necessarily the problem, it's the degree of the accent that can be a problem. Salai Meridor's accent was unbearable. Livni's is atrocious.
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    Posted by Yala:

    Can you elaborate on this? I wanted to read it

    Yala, I was simply not impressed. It's a collection of facts and notable events with a huge emphasis on missionaries.
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    Re: Michael Oren is Gold!

    Quote Originally Posted by NewsGuy View Post
    Now Israel should focus on sending some good spokespeople to Europe.

    That day cannot come quick enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharona View Post
    That day cannot come quick enough!
    Sharona, they are so anti-Jewish / anti-Israel I'm afraid there is nothing Israel can do.
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    Re: Michael Oren is Gold!

    It doesn't hurt to try!

    That said, I suppose obtaining air time might be problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharona View Post
    It doesn't hurt to try!

    That said, I suppose obtaining air time might be problematic.
    Sharona, can you even say out loud that you are a Zionist or pro-Israel?
    "It is cheap to attack Israel. I am certainly not going to make a cheap attack on Israel by howling in the woods with the rest of the wolves." - Geert Wilders

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