'Israeli-Arab conflict' misnomer?

[bararallu]

what I compared was Iran and a hypothetical religious Jewish state [ok ok just a Jewish state happy ? ]

Yes actually that is clear... you have an unfounded theory . You believe that Israel is going to become a theocracy, even though there is very little indication of it. e.g., All of the Yemenite community we have were devout Rabbical Jews previous to coming to Israel, now about a 3rd are halachically Jewish (Orthodox). Our judiciary as insane as it can be sometimes (= adopting other nations laws before ours), are distinct and discrete from any and all Rabbinical considerations, and their opinions take precedence over all religious laws of the land. We have numerous checks and balances, and transparency, in our governance. We have no qualms as a society to prosecute our leadership when they are found to be corrupt- at any level of governance. This is unmatched anywhere in the Islamic world, much less the Arab world. And this is something since more than 55% of the Israeli Jewish population is from the ME and North Africa, that is to say... from the Arab world. Is it a perfect state? far from it. But relatively to our neighbors it is pristine.

and not Jordan, am not sure though, but I kind of got the impression that you think I like the Jordanian constitution or think highly of these stupid laws that protect murderers ?

Sorry for making assumptions. I'm more than happy to be educated on all things Jordanian.

I dislike a lot of these policies and hope and work towards a day when we'll finally have achieved a western like democracy with a separated Mosque from State, but considering that this view isn't fostered by a lot of people who I think are just not ready to "change", I'll support the King's attempts at making Jordan as secular as possible. After all, anything is better than Islamic Sharia.

I can hazard a guess why you sport that theory about latter day fundamentalist Israel... since that is what you are experiencing. I've seen frightful transformation among the Arabs in Israel and more so in Judea and Samaria... they are becoming much more religious... It's disturbing to see, and the Saudis are dumping mucho dinero into the project. Well if you do ever visit Israel you will see how counter that trend we have it. You are assuming (perhaps) that the trends are ubiquitous in the ME: what is happening in Egypt and Jordan is happening in Israel... but thats just not reality. We have no equivalence to Selafi/Wahabi radical expanshionist movements, nor a mountain of petro dollars to fund it even if we had. Sorry if I misinterpret your observations.

BTW, I no longer believe in a peace with the Arab world based on this very issue. If it was purely a national/ethnic dispute over land, I think it can be worked out however tough the problem. Once religion has entered it... and to be sure we did not introduce that into the equation... there is zero chance for reconciling. This is now a self fulfilled prophecy, the Muslim Brotherhood (with Iranian oil on the fire) has won their battle in the Arab World, and it has won it by religiously demonifying Israel. Regionally, you cant step away from that.

and no of course I don't believe that there is persecution of homosexuals in Israel.

The staunches Zionists on this forum would be pretty pissed of if that was the case.

[Yala]

I do not consider myself a Muslim anymore , since Islam borrows heavily of it's retarded counterpart Judaism, though I never got these "secular" Jews and Christians. who'd make up new religions like Conservative Judaism and pretend that Homosexuality is ok It's like yea I admit my religion is retarded, so I won't go around practicing it.
"am a proud gay Jew in Jerusalem" , "no you don't understand].

No, it's you who doesn't understand what a Jewish person is all about. When someone calls themselves a "gay Jew" what does his religion have to do with it? We are Jews, from the Jewish Nation and we happen to have a common religion, which most of us don't practice. That doesn't change the fact that we are brothers with common ancestry. If you are mistaking us for being merely a religion, then you have a lot to learn.

On the other hand, if you take issues with the Jewish Reform Movement and their hypocrisy, then I think most of the Jews on the forum would agree with many of those points.

Also, a few posts up you made another common mistake by saying most Israelis are from European countries. Actually over 50% of the Jews in Israel are from Arab countries.

[Mediocrates]

The new PA minister of something or other as her first act on her first day on the job called for a general boycott of all Israeli goods. Considering this represents about 80% of their entire economy, that's a bold statement. One hopes God will once again drop manna from the sky.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/200...oycott-of.html

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php...tails&ID=38130

Maybe Takeo can whip up a bake sale or something.

[Mil]

They can build another casino?

[Mediocrates]

I dunno will Hamas permit decadent gambling?

[Mil]

Then what? Specialized tunnel digging?

[Mediocrates]

Well I don't think the point is entirely relevant. We don't need to consider a 'national industry'. The Palestinians will have enough to keep the lights on, the streets paved, the garbage collected. That there's a given level of corruption is par for the course. They can build their own homes, run their own banks, operate their own ports. Let's say for the sake of argument that there's 2.5 million Palestinians in Gaza and Yesha. At most that's under 1 million jobs. Let's say 800,000 jobs. Set aside the inevitable 50,000 'police', we're left with 750,000 jobs of which, if any other Arab state is a useful benchmark, half of them will work nominally for the government. Using the foreign aid they get now they could support those 375,000 jobs to run the basic infrastructure services. This leaves another 375,000 productive jobs to generate GDP. Web hosting, cell phones, IT services, call centers, media and the work needed to build out those plants would take another 100,000. Small businesses and support services; 50,000. Soft industries, shopping, light industry, food and beverage take the remaining 225,000.

It's not impossible, many have more with less.

[maven]

Posted by Maven:



These people who grew up in places where blaming someone else is a tradition bothers the hell out of me.

And that important psychologiocal factor was never adressed in Obama's speech.

[newman]

The only 'sollution' is the Vlad the Impaler one. muslim-nazis (and arabs in particular) only understand fear and force.