'Israeli-Arab conflict' misnomer?

[maven]

Right of return to Israel is out of the question except for Jews.

You have a huge menu of Arab delights on the map to make a home with your 'Brothers' (half of whom I observe are female).

There should be enough "injustice and discrimination" in those Muslim States to keep Palestinians happy for years to come, so you won't miss anything by not moving to Israel.

Not only that but but the right of return for Arabs within Israel who do not want to be Israeli will be to a Palestinian State, whenever and if ever that becomes practically possible.

[Sharona]

Will the 'right to return' also apply to the Jews expelled from the Middle East?Including their descendants, of course.

Can they be assured of autonomous slices of their homelands, dedicated only to them and free from persecution?

Oh, and will there be reparation made for the $millions - probably now $billions - stolen from them?

To be honest, when this 'right of return' is considered I will have a little more time for the Palestinian claim.

[maven]

Will the 'right to return' also apply to the Jews expelled from the Middle East?Including their descendants, of course.

Can they be assured of autonomous slices of their homelands, dedicated only to them and free from persecution?

Oh, and will there be reparation made for the $millions - probably now $billions - stolen from them?

To be honest, when this 'right of return' is considered I will have a little more time for the Palestinian claim.

An excellent question. Perhaps if Al can tear himself away from watching re-runs of the 'Saeed Hassan Nasrullah six-hour sermons show' on the 'Arabterror Gold Channel' he might ask it.

But it is a point which should be raised often by Israeli commentators on newschannels.

[bararallu]

Oh great, will the Hebrews be making similar arrangements to return to where they came from ?

Zion? Since this is where Hebrews come from. You know the land Omar invaded... and Mohamed never seen.

While you're are at it, can you find me ones that say "two-legged vermin" or maybe "drugged roaches in a bottle". .....

You'll have to explicate that for us, were not especially bright people like Fakestinians. Unless you mean Farfur, the genocidal er.. "Palestinian", mouse.

[maven]

Is the term 'Israeli-Arab Conflict' now out of date and misleading?

Has Iran shifted the balance in the Arab world to the point that many Arab States are moving towards a desire to see a reconciled Israel rather than an extended Mullocratic influence across the region?

With what should we replace this term to reflect the new realities of the Iranian threat to the whole Middle East?

Israel’s unlikely ally versus Iran: the Arabs


From The Jewish Chronicle
Anshel Pfeffer
May 14, 2009


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Israel has identified unlikely allies in its emerging diplomatic dispute with the new administration in Washington over Iran’s nuclear programme — the Arab states.

“In the past, the Arab leaders would complain about the Americans being too pro-Israel,” says a senior Israeli diplomat in Jerusalem. “The situation in the region has fundamentally shifted.” The two main changes, explains the diplomat, are the apparent willingness of the Obama White House to negotiate with Iran while applying pressure on Israel and the threat that a belligerent Iran poses to many of the Arab states, especially Egypt.

“The new policy in Washington has made things more difficult for the Israeli government,” says the diplomat, “but at the same time, it also poses a challenge to the Arab leadership. They don’t have any excuses any more and are running out of time.”

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s visit to Egypt this week was the best example of this new situation. President Hosni Mubarak has been adept in the past at humiliating visiting Israeli leaders with lengthy delays on the tarmac and wounding remarks at press conferences, but this time he was all smiles.

Iran wasn’t mentioned in the statements to the media but in private the two leaders spoke for 90 minutes (three times the allotted time), mainly on the Iranian issue. “Mubarak is just as worried about Iran as we are,” said a Netanyahu aide.

The concern of the Mubarak regime is slightly different to that of the Israelis. While Israel’s fear of a nuclear-armed Iran is an existential one, Egypt and its Saudi allies do not believe that Tehran would ever use the bomb against a Muslim nation. They are aware, though, that Iranian success in achieving nuclear capability will signal the end of their joint hegemony in the region.

Mr Mubarak sounded a rare warning last December when he told a meeting of his party’s leadership that “the Persians are trying to devour the Arab states”. Last month, when he accused Hizbollah of trying to launch terror attacks on its territory, the meaning was clear: Iran’s chief regional proxy is trying to destabilise the region.

“Egypt has a lot to fear from a powerful Iran,” says Professor Shimon Shamir of Tel-Aviv University, a former Israeli ambassador to Cairo, “and this obviously creates a common interest with Israel. The Egyptians have already expressed their concerns to the Americans and there is a chance here for Israel and Egypt to coordinate their messages to the White House.”

The Egyptians are not the only ones to voice concern over Washington’s courting of Tehran. “We hope that any dialogue between countries will not come at our expense,” read a statement last week by the members of the Gulf Cooperation Council. The London-based Al-Quds Al-Arabi reported that Egyptian and Jordanian officials were preparing an amended version of the Arab League peace initiative which will be more palatable to the Israeli government, as part of an attempt by moderate Arab governments to build an alliance with Israel countering Iranian influence.

Senior representatives of the Obama administration, including Defence Secretary Robert Gates, have visited Arab capitals in recent weeks in an attempt to allay Arab fears.

Meanwhile, Israel has had little comfort. The annual conference of the pro-Israel lobby, Aipac, in Washington last week, is normally a venue for robust speeches of unstinting support for Israel. This year it was another opportunity for senior administration figures, including Vice President Joe Biden and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, to reiterate the new position that Israeli concessions to the Palestinians are key to the efforts against Iran.

“In the past, Israel could rely on its allies in the Congress to counter this kind of talk,” said a conference delegate. “It is clear for now that the Obama administration is too powerful for that. Neither does the Jewish leadership have much appetite for taking on the White House.”

Continued:
http://www.thejc.com/articles/israel...sus-iran-arabs

[Mil]

By 13a:

This dictatorship is supported by the US, and the king cant take his chances with real democratic elections

He should take real changes at a Democratic elections!!!!!! And if he doesn't why blame the US for it?

which is something the general public want], because they will give much power to the IAF letting the country head in a direction neither the king nor Israel and the West want.

Yes, blame your dictatorship on someone else. People who live in authoritarian regimes always blame someone else.

Thus we have these lovely unmonitored elections every now and then.

Good for you. Are you going to vote for a homosexual green Arab activist? You, know, in neighboring Israel nudism is allowed.

[maven]

to 13a:


Good for you. Are you going to vote for a homosexual green Arab activist? You, know, in neighboring Israel nudism is allowed.

Be fair Mil, is there anyone quite as camp as Gaddafi in Jordan?

[Mediocrates]

Of course The Head Loon of Persia announced to the EU that his newest al-Photoshopr 3 missile can SPECIFICALLY hit eastern and southern Europe.

http://euobserver.com/9/28169

Part of me wants him not to be lying this time. The Israelis were already under a threat. Now all of a sudden with Athens, Sophia, Rome, Bucharest in their sites maybe it will become more urgent.

[maven]

Of course The Head Loon of Persia announced to the EU that his newest al-Photoshopr 3 missile can SPECIFICALLY hit eastern and southern Europe.

http://euobserver.com/9/28169

Part of me wants him not to be lying this time. The Israelis were already under a threat. Now all of a sudden with Athens, Sophia, Rome, Bucharest in their sites maybe it will become more urgent.

Well, he is rather outragious I admit, and seriously into togas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1ctXt8kUTw

[Mil]

Posted by Maven:

Be fair Mil, is there anyone quite as camp as Gaddafi in Jordan?

These people who grew up in places where blaming someone else is a tradition bothers the hell out of me.

[maven]

Posted by Maven:

Be fair Mil, is there anyone quite as camp as Gaddafi in Jordan?

These people who grew up in places where blaming someone else is a tradition bothers the hell out of me.

I think that after years of blaming others and conspiring with American liberals to create conspiracy theories the internet is bringing the truth to the fore and arabs are being confronted more with the contradictions to their assumptions.

btw: more on the iranian gay president:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcYD0zKP7X8

[bararallu]

arabs are being confronted more with the contradictions to their assumptions.

You have to be ethical or at least rational to have any sort of issues with cognitive dissonance or even plain contradiction. What we have in the ME is 99% of people are not ethical in any recognizable way; they are often generous and courteous but they nearly all abide by shame culture, even though their religion teaches otherwise. By pointing out contradictions all you will elicit is a little of this.

[Rob]

I think the name is still OK. Everybody understands what is meant by it. Also, Israel and Iran have not yet exchanged hostilities. If you want to include Iran in the name, you have to include the US also (for now that is).

First of all, if you haven't noticed I had put "Fakestinian" between brackets as to express my dislike for the word which I find offensive, but then again I'd be naive to expect anything more of people such as yourself.

And how does your home country (Jordan) identify you and how do you identify yourself in Jordan when dealing with governmental institutes?

[13al]

For the time being at least, my home country Jordan considers me Jordanian.
However, considering that most of your home countries were in Europe, am not sure how that makes you more Israeli than making me Palestinian.

Jordan needs the "moderate" status, Russia's nuclear plants and the United States support. true they'll come for a price, but ultimately it's worth it.
so I don't mind ------ taking uncle Sam's up the @ss for a little bit longer.

there'll always be an Arab-Israeli conflict, Even if it's solved on papers, for these papers will only be a reminder of the Arabs defeats, rendering them worthless. Like Asala puts it, this hatred of Israel is breastfed to us when we are young only to be reaffirmed in later years by the news we hear and see on a day to day basis.

[Reffo]

However, considering that most of your home countries were in Europe, am not sure how that makes you more Israeli than making me Palestinian.

I thought Arabia was the homeland of the Arab people ... By the way, what is a "Palestinian"? Never in the history of the world was there an independent country known as Palestine...