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[Sanket]

Yet I bet you most Indians, and nearly all Africans, if they had a choice, would prefere to live the western way. Poverty is not fun. It may seem idyllic on pictures but in reality it's nasty. I know Kenya very well, Kenyans are most certainly not content with what they have at the moment, and they know very well how we live in the West. If all Kenyans would receive visa for the US or Europe, Kenya would be empty. India might be different because of strong religious beliefs. If you think this life is for suffering and you next life will be better, than you don't mind so much the poverty.
India is a democracy, so is Kenya, but if you don't have anything that's the least of your worries. And both in India and Kenya there is a strong clientelistic system(for example: if this neighbourhood votes for me, I'll help them to install a sewer system in this neighbourhood or improve the roads), as in all poor countries, which undermines democracy and creates lots of corruption.

Just answer some of my questions.

I am looking for the answers for a long time.
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Is it possible for 6 billion to have the same living standard ?

Why does America has 40% of the World Money when its population is less than 5% of the world ?

In any country the top 10% have more that 60% of total wealth. Why ?

If every one is educated then who will do the dirty work ?

[takeo]

shravan ]

Just answer some of my questions.

I am looking for the answers for a long time.
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Is it possible for 6 billion to have the same living standard ?

No, not everyone can have a Europeanstyle or Americanstyle living standard. but at least it is possible to give the large majority a reasonable second world (think: Cuba, Ukrain, Argentina, etc.) life standard. Which means: acces to enough and healthy food, health care, electricity, clean water, education for all at the very least.

Why does America has 40% of the World Money when its population is less than 5% of the world ?

For historical reasons: industrialisation, advanced economy, at the top of the economic chain, etc.

In any country the top 10% have more that 60% of total wealth. Why ?

Because of capitalism. Besides not everywhere, for example not in many European countries.

If every one is educated then who will do the dirty work ?

Machines, as is already the case in many firstworld countries. And there'll always be people who don't want to study and do physical work.

[takeo]

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City life sucks.



If a person does not have electricity & stays in a remote place you will call them poor.

And we the rich dudes pay huge sums money to visit Jungles and Mountain Climbing just to experience that. Who is poor ?

You know if I want to climb mountains and visit jungles I just pay a return ticket to some country with lots of that. In my experience most people in third world countries live in shantytowns or in villages without acces to jungles or mountains. For example most Kenyans I met never saw a lion or elephant in their life, and never climbed the mount Kenya, that's for tourists. Their life is about survival, I think it's no different in most of India.

Clean water is the problem in the cities where all the stupid people like us come together to work and make money.

it is a problem on the countryside as well. Many wells in villages are polluted.

You really don't know anything about China. And both countries have a huge population and there will be +20% poverty in both the countries. It cannot be removed.

I know that China succeeded in reducing population growth, India didn't. I also know fom statistics and my own eyes that there's less poverty in China than in India.

China & India are able to provide 2.5 Billion people with food daily. And its not a easy task for even the most developed country. Think about it.

It shouldn't be so difficult with the current agriculture methods available. The "green revolution" in India was indeed a great succes, if only this could ever happen in Africa.

[Sanket]

shravan ]

No, not everyone can have a Europeanstyle or Americanstyle living standard. but at least it is possible to give the large majority a reasonable second world (think: Cuba, Ukrain, Argentina, etc.) life standard. Which means: acces to enough and healthy food, health care, electricity, clean water, education for all at the very least.

Every child should wear a diaper or I will call him Poor. I stay in a Flat 1000 Sq. Ft. (Which cost more than a Million Dollars) and i expect the same from every Indian.

For historical reasons: industrialisation, advanced economy, at the top of the economic chain, etc.

Wouldn't it be better if a country like China & India dominates the world & control 80% of the world trade because that will help billions of people to buy diapers and that would make both of us happy.

But i will stop thinking what will happen to America and Europe - Hey wait won't this countries become poor then ?

Because of capitalism. Besides not everywhere, for example not in many European countries.

So its possible for a country to have distributed wealth. That's new to me.

So you support Slavery. Am i right ?

Machines, as is already the case in many firstworld countries. And there'll always be people who don't want to study and do physical work.

Cool. I would also like to see one day each and everyone on this planet to become Doctors, Engineers, etc. No one should work as a nurse or a cleaner. That's shame on humanity.

[Sanket]

]You know if I want to climb mountains and visit jungles I just pay a return ticket to some country with lots of that. In my experience most people in third world countries live in shantytowns or in villages without acces to jungles or mountains. For example most Kenyans I met never saw a lion or elephant in their life, and never climbed the mount Kenya, that's for tourists. Their life is about survival, I think it's no different in most of India.

I stayed in the biggest slum in the World. and i know why people stay there in the first place. If you know more than me then please share with us.

it is a problem on the countryside as well. Many wells in villages are polluted.

How many ? You visited most of the Indian Villages ?

I know that China succeeded in reducing population growth, India didn't. I also know fom statistics and my own eyes that there's less poverty in China than in India.

LOL. So how do they make cheap products ? Machines ? And the factory workers are paid 5$ per/hr. Right ?

[Sanket]

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shravan

Every child should wear a diaper or I will call him Poor.

Not necessarily. But I think acces to education, good health care, electricity, a varied diet and a house or apartment that they don't have to share with rats and cockroaches is the minimum.

I stay in a Flat 1000 Sq. Ft. (Which cost more than a Million Dollars) and i expect the same from every Indian.

I don't expect that, but I don't think it's acceptable most Indians have to live in shantytowns without anything.

Wouldn't it be better if a country like China & India dominates the world & control 80% of the world trade because that will help billions of people to buy diapers and that would make both of us happy.

Actually certainly China is on its way to dominate much of the world trade, and it's undeniably benefitting the Chinese people.

But i will stop thinking what will happen to America and Europe - Hey wait won't this countries become poor then ?

depends how they adapt to a changing world economy.

So its possible for a country to have distributed wealth. That's new to me.

it's not new to me, many countries managed to do so more or less.

So you support Slavery. Am i right ?

no

Cool. I would also like to see one day each and everyone on this planet to become Doctors, Engineers, etc. No one should work as a nurse or a cleaner. That's shame on humanity.

actually you have to study too to become nurse, and in Europe both nurses and cleaners get paid well. (in Belgium nurses get around 2000 $ net(in France a bit more), cleaners around 1700 $ net in a month(in Franc a bit less))

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shravan

I stayed in the biggest slum in the World. and i know why people stay there in the first place. If you know more than me then please share with us.

I tought Nairobi has the biggest slums in the world?

How many ? You visited most of the Indian Villages ?

just a few, but enough to see that the Indian countryside is very poor and the so-called Indian miracle is limited to a small urban elite...

LOL. So how do they make cheap products ? Machines ? And the factory workers are paid 5$ per/hr. Right ?

Not yet, altough Chinese salaries are amongst the fastest growing in the world. And certainly they are payed better than the average Indian.

[Sanket]

I tought Nairobi has the biggest slums in the world?

Then in Asia...

just a few, but enough to see that the Indian countryside is very poor and the so-called Indian miracle is limited to a small urban elite...

OK. India is poor and I hope one day we will become super rich by sucking your blood. Thanks We will work on it.

Not yet, altough Chinese salaries are amongst the fastest growing in the world. And certainly they are payed better than the average Indian.

If you say so. And i even once showed you China has more poverty than India. But for you its is very hard to believe. I can understand that.

[Sanket]

Not necessarily. But I think acces to education, good health care, electricity, a varied diet and a house or apartment that they don't have to share with rats and cockroaches is the minimum.

I have changed my views. Now I want every Indian (1.2 Billion) to be super rich. And i hope you will not have any problem with it. I want to see every Indian educated and hard working and I want to see them stealing other people jobs worldwide.

I don't expect that, but I don't think it's acceptable most Indians have to live in shantytowns without anything.

Most Indians live in shantytowns. You know more about India than I do.

Actually certainly China is on its way to dominate much of the world trade, and it's undeniably benefitting the Chinese people.

Wait & Watch. I give it 5 years.

depends how they adapt to a changing world economy.

Empires Fall!!!

it's not new to me, many countries managed to do so more or less.

Its just not possible. One has to be poor so other can be rich. Or else you need (Paid) slaves to work for you.

actually you have to study too to become nurse, and in Europe both nurses and cleaners get paid well. (in Belgium nurses get around 2000 $ net(in France a bit more), cleaners around 1700 $ net in a month(in Franc a bit less))

Ok.
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So if every one studies we have to get certificates even to clean the Toilets....

Lucky i am a High School drop Out.

[takeo]

If you say so. And i even once showed you China has more poverty than India. But for you its is very hard to believe. I can understand that.

Human development index for India is 132th in the world (on the same level as Laos and behind Congo) for China it is 94th (between Georgia and Tunisia).

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

In India 20 % of the population is undernourished, in China 12%.

http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/indicators/63.html

In India 28,6 % of the population lives below the national poverty line, in China 4.6

http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/indicators/25.html

487, 2 million Indians live without electricity (almost half the population ) in China 6.5 million . ( 5%)...

http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/indicators/211.html

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shravan

I have changed my views. Now I want every Indian (1.2 Billion) to be super rich. And i hope you will not have any problem with it. I want to see every Indian educated and hard working and I want to see them stealing other people jobs worldwide.

if the large majority of them have electricity it'll be an improvement already.

Most Indians live in shantytowns. You know more about India than I do.

Most Indians live on the countryside in villages without any modern comfort.

Its just not possible. One has to be poor so other can be rich. Or else you need (Paid) slaves to work for you.

nonsense. In countries such as Finland there is almost no poverty..

[Sanket]

Human development index for India is 132th in the world (on the same level as Laos and behind Congo) for China it is 94th (between Georgia and Tunisia). ...................

Now tell me how many violent riots (involving more that 1000 people) take place in China everyday on an average?

10, 20, 100 or 200.
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[Sanket]

Most Indians live on the countryside in villages without any modern comfort.

I have a hut in a village. I just love to spend my time over there. No electricity or phones. have our own cows, chickens, etc.

Just love the place. And the relatives who stay there hate cities. You might find it odd but that's the way we Hindus like it.

nonsense. In countries such as Finland there is almost no poverty..

Impossible. According to their average income there will be people who would be making less money than that.

I will go a quick search.

There are poverty cases in Finland and recently poverty ratio has started to increase.

But it would be stupid of you if you compare the poverty of Finland with Africa or India.

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shravan

I have a hut in a village. I just love to spend my time over there. No electricity or phones. have our own cows, chickens, etc.

Just love the place. And the relatives who stay there hate cities. You might find it odd but that's the way we Hindus like it.

So if offered a house with all modern commodities most villagers would refuse? I don't think so.

Impossible. According to their average income there will be people who would be making less money than that.

I will go a quick search.

There are poverty cases in Finland and recently poverty ratio has started to increase.

There is very little poverty in Finland, it's also one of the most "equal" countries in the world. For example university as well as accomodation is completely free for all students.

But it would be stupid of you if you compare the poverty of Finland with Africa or India.

OK, that's true, thus you are confirming my opinion that India is a poor country. Anyway, they are working hard, the government is not as bad as in Africa and they make real progres. That's why I wish them all the best. But of course no need to deny poverty, or to project an image of India which is not representative.