Has the uprising succeeded?

[Rob]

What is the scorecard on the uprising? Have the Palestinians gained anything? Are they better off now than they were 2 years ago? Are they any closer to a state? How about their economy?

Isn't true that the uprising has been a total failure which has failed to achive any of it's goals?

Isn't this just another example of people who are in no position to have a state?

Isn't Arafat the biggest loser in all of this?

Will the Palestinians learn anything from this?


My view is the Palesintians have lost almost everything. They are much worse of now than 2 years ago. It will take years before they get back to where they were 2 years ago. Their economy is a joke.

So lets see some Palestinian defenders defend the uprising.

[alexbmn]

ok i've read two articles about this.And the Pals mention these accomplishments: the 3-1 casualty ratio(should be stretched out by the operation in Gaza)the fact that Israelis no longer feel safe in the streets,the economic downfall and in their opinion the exodus of Jews from Israel.Someone should tell them that the population is increasing.

[Teacake]

Rob, it seems to me that they have gained quite a lot. They have managed to set global anti-semitism further back than during the nazi days, but this time around it's the PC thing to do. They have gained the tears of the world, they have revised history and have written a total lie for the future history books that will no doubt show how Jews were as bad as hitler warned. People of the world ate up all the lies like it was icecream.

How did we go from controling all the banks, getting gassed and turned to ash, then those who survived were "allowed" to go home to Israel only to be attacked the very next day for the next 50 years, and to top it off the Jewish homeland is now disputed as stolen land. Oh... they gained just what they wanted, obvioulsy they don't care about their own lives or the quality of life, what they care about is to destroy Jews and Judiasm.

[L@mplighterM]

I’ve never viewed this as a conflict between Palestinians and Israel. The situation in the ME should be considered as an ongoing war between Arabs and the Jewish population. I don’t believe that there’s been even one day where there has been true peace. Not even 24 little hours!

Much of the world has gained an increase of sympathy for the Palestinians. In fact I would venture to say most of the world population views Israel as the bad guy because of this latest uprising.

The Palestinians still support Arafat and come the elections next year he’ll get elected again.

[Teacake]

You are so right Lamp, the entire thing is nothing more than a highly financed, highly organized and orchestrated fifth column ushered into Israel Trojan Horse style. I dont see an end to it especially with global opinion cheering the pals on.... basically, "they" are letting the bastards carry out their collective wishes. Wonder why else not one nation on earth is objecting to this? The US gives luke warm wishy washy objections along with the finger wagging at Israel.

Funny thing about all of this is Lamp, can you think of any conflict on the face of the earth at any point in history that the world ALL agreed who in the conflict is in the wrong? Sounds sorta suspecious to me.

[L@mplighterM]

I can’t think of any conflict where the whole world drew up sides anywhere near to what is happening in the ME. Basically it most likely boils down to 5 billion against 5 Million the way I see it.

Jew bashing has become very popular these days. I would be willing to bet that if you asked the average individual what a Jew was they wouldn’t be able to give the correct answer.

Weird world with strange people! Stop the world I want to get off!

[Teacake]

Lamp, when I was a kid I used to wonder, why if Jews are hated so much in the USSR, woudln't they send them all to Israel. Took some going around the block a few times to have the mystery solved.

The sickest thing about Jew hate is is that if those 5 billion did succed in killing off every last one of us, they would still blame us for all the worlds ills. We would be in hiding somewhere administering the evil control.

I wonder what the stats are with people who love horror movies, what percentage would be Jews. When these guys go on about how scary and gory these films are I want to scream, try being a Jew in this world, its about as scary an experience as you can find... I've never felt totally safe or relaxed even here in the US. Have you seen the movie Artifical Intellegence? I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the overall point struck me as what it's like to be a Jew living in a world of crazy "real" people. Even the part where the kid prays to the blue angel seemed like the message was that praying to idols is what fairy tales are made of.

[IamPalestine]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
I can’t think of any conflict where the whole world drew up sides anywhere near to what is happening in the ME. Basically it most likely boils down to 5 billion against 5 Million the way I see it.

Jew bashing has become very popular these days. I would be willing to bet that if you asked the average individual what a Jew was they wouldn’t be able to give the correct answer.

Weird world with strange people! Stop the world I want to get off!

Hey, I have an idea. Why don't Israel bomb the hell out of this world, it is capable of that, you know all the nukes and everything. Maybe by nuking earth from orbit is Israel's only way out

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by IamPalestine

Hey, I have an idea. Why don't Israel bomb the hell out of this world, it is capable of that, you know all the nukes and everything. Maybe by nuking earth from orbit is Israel's only way out

IamPalestine, there is a reason that we prefer not to have children on board.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Rob
What is the scorecard on the uprising? Have the Palestinians gained anything? Are they better off now than they were 2 years ago? Are they any closer to a state? How about their economy?

That's a very interesting issue, Rob.

The Palestinian uprising, i.e., the Jihad war launched against innocent Jewish women and children, has been as much of a total failure as all previous wars started by the Arabs. But it did claim the lives of hundreds of innocent Israelis, harming families, killing children in pizza stores, bus stops, universities, shopping malls, etc.

It also brought immense suffering to those Palestinians who are peaceful and who just want to go on living their lives as normal human beings.

The Jihad-Intifada did, on a temporary basis, succeed in fooling some people into believing the Palestinian lie that they simply wanted an independent state alongside Israel and that they were being oppressed. But as time wore on, it became apparent that the true goal of the Palestinian Jihad was to massacre Jews and Americans, and that the only freedom they were seeking was the freedom to mass murder Westerners.

And, following the scenes of Palestinians dancing and celebrating in the streets when they learned of the 9/11 attack on America, any decent human being on the planet came to see the true face of the Palestinian "street." It put the Intifada in proper perspective.

By now, most Palestinians have come to understand that their violence and terrorism will not succeed in ethnically cleansing the Middle East of its Jewish presence. They have come to learn that Arafat is still a national failure and a caricature of a corrupt little terrorist at the end of his pathetic career.

Like most Palestinian pursuits, and like the situation in most Arab countries, failure, misery, poverty, illiteracy, violence, extremist Islam, and public corruption are at the core of their troubles. No Intifada-Jihad will solve the Palestinian problems, as much as they'd like it to.

[IamPalestine]

The Palestinian uprising, i.e., the Jihad war launched against innocent Jewish women and children, has been as much of a total failure as all previous wars started by the Arabs. But it did claim the lives of hundreds of innocent Israelis, harming families, killing children in pizza stores, bus stops, universities, shopping malls, etc.

The Palestinian uprising did not start against innocent people, the Palestinian Intifadah started to end Israeli occupation of their everyday life, to get their freedom back so they can live as human beings, without the IDF humiliation. The uprising is not a failure, despite the losses. it has provided the Palestinians with hope, hope, it has brought the world's attention to their situation, it has gained a lot of support from a lot of people, it awoke many people around the world, who otherwise would still be drowned with Israeli propaganda. It has brought the Palestinians so close to a statehood.

It also brought immense suffering to those Palestinians who are peaceful and who just want to go on living their lives as normal human beings.

Yes, you are right, there are peaceful Palestinians. But what normal life are talking about, oh, you mean life under occupation, where you must have an Israeli issued ID anywhere you go or be killed or in jail without trial. Life where you are stripped searched at random checkpoints just for trying to go by you groceries. The life where your home might be bulldozed at any time. The life of humiliation. opretion and submission to Israeli occupation

The Jihad-Intifada did, on a temporary basis, succeed in fooling some people into believing the Palestinian lie that they simply wanted an independent state alongside Israel and that they were being oppressed. But as time wore on, it became apparent that the true goal of the Palestinian Jihad was to massacre Jews and Americans, and that the only freedom they were seeking was the freedom to mass murder Westerners.

How could you even say that, the Palestinian Intifadah is to fight occupation, and to gain indepandence from IDF attrocities. The Intifadah is after civillians as much as your IDF is after Palestinian civillians. Leave the territories is the ultimate goal of the Intifadah.

And, following the scenes of Palestinians dancing and celebrating in the streets when they learned of the 9/11 attack on America, any decent human being on the planet came to see the true face of the Palestinian "street." It put the Intifada in proper perspective.

A few kids and maybe some uneducated persons may have danced, but only because they saw it as a smack in the face of America for supporting the Israeli occupation, and because they live 9/11 everyday of their lives, thanks to the American supplied bulldozers and Apaches . No one celebrated the loss of life, no one believes that. The Palestinian street is true and honest, all it wants is freedom.

By now, most Palestinians have come to understand that their violence and terrorism will not succeed in ethnically cleansing the Middle East of its Jewish presence. They have come to learn that Arafat is still a national failure and a caricature of a corrupt little terrorist at the end of his pathetic career.

How could you even say "ethnically cleansing" and blame the Palestinians, why don't you open your eyes and see who is beeing ethnically cleansed?

Like most Palestinian pursuits, and like the situation in most Arab countries, failure, misery, poverty, illiteracy, violence, extremist Islam, and public corruption are at the core of their troubles. No Intifada-Jihad will solve the Palestinian problems, as much as they'd like it to.

You can say what pleases you, but the fact that we all are talking about it here and everywhere, the fact that there are so many countries supporting an independent Palestinian state, proves it successful and a live.