Hitler And The BNP

[maven]

Adolf Hitler hears that the pro-Israel BNP was not prevented from appearing on BBC's 'Question Time' by an anti-zionist 'anti-fascist' mob:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6e6a5qp2Is
Language warning.

[andak01]

I suppose if you ignore Nick Griffin's pro-Hitler, holocaust denial past, you'd think this was funny. But hey, the guy hates Arabs, so maybe all can be forgiven (yeah, I'm being sarcastic).

I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat.
—Nick Griffin, [27]

Griffin claimed that the law under which he was convicted was an unjust law and he therefore had no obligation to follow it.[49] He was secretly recorded by the ITV programme The Cook Report in 1997 describing Carlile as "this bloody Jew ... whose only claim is that his grandparents died in the Holocaust".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Gr...iminal_charges

[maven]

Don't worry, Griffin is growing up and ditching the views he was brainwashed into as a youth, he has taken an old far-right party and is in the process of reforming it. He has made it clear that he now accepts that the Holocaust happened and also that in his opinion Jews should be exempted from all immigration laws to encourage more Jews to settle in the UK, in order to redress the balance in a Judao-Christian society which has admitted millions of Muslims; many of whom want to change the country to suit their own religion.

Like Geert Wilders he does not 'hate' Muslims he hates the attempt by a cabal of liberal parties in Europe to conspire with Islamists to bring Sharia law into the UK and Europe and to undermine Britishness and Englishness by creating a European Superstate devolved to multicultural 'stans.'

The BNP was the only party to support Israel in Gaza, while the people demonstrating against the BNP support the genuinly fascist Hamas and Hezbollah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYBWd6ZT0Ns

[andak01]

He has made it clear that he now accepts that the Holocaust happened and also that in his opinion Jews should be exempted from all immigration laws to encourage more Jews to settle in the UK, in order to redress the balance in a Judao-Christian society which has admitted millions of Muslims; many of whom want to change the country to suit their own religion.

So he's an anti-Zionist and just hasn't realized it yet. The Zionist cause demands that as many Jews be encouraged to settle in Israel as possible. Every one of them that move from there to the UK is a loss to the Jewish demographic in Israel.

Like Geert Wilders he does not 'hate' Muslims he hates the attempt by a cabal of liberal parties in Europe to conspire with Islamists to bring Sharia law into the UK and Europe and to undermine Britishness and Englishness by creating a European Superstate devolved to multicultural 'stans.'

If you have to put quotes around 'hate', it's a duck! Wilders has never differentiated from law abiding moderate Muslims to jihadis.

The BNP was the only party to support Israel in Gaza, while the people demonstrating against the BNP support the genuinly fascist Hamas and Hezbollah.

Really? Anyone whose against Fascism is pro-Hamas/Hezbollah? Are you serious?

[maven]

The problem andak is you don't have a clue what you are talking about, you dont live in Britain. You remind me of Chompsky, everything to you is black and white and you are selective of the facts. You argue everything and understand nothing. In fact you remind me of the poem by Lewis Carrol:

"You are old," said the youth, "and your jaws are too weak
For anything tougher than suet;
Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak
Pray, how did you manage to do it?"

"In my youth," said his father, "I took to the law,
And argued each case with my wife;
And the muscular strength, which it gave to my jaw,
Has lasted the rest of my life."

[newman]

I hate anti-semites but I'd be willing to back the BNP if it meant giving the muslims a blood nose in the UK. I'd also bet that there'd be popular support for a route of the muslims but only fringe support for any anti-Jewish activity.

All the same..................if these folks haven't worked out that the real threat to them is the clear & present danger of Islam and not some stupid, discredited czarist/nazi/kkk fantasy about "joo bankers" then they're insane.

[andak01]

I hate anti-semites but I'd be willing to back the BNP if it meant giving the muslims a blood nose in the UK. I'd also bet that there'd be popular support for a route of the muslims but only fringe support for any anti-Jewish activity.

Route? By which you mean exile, genocide? Well now I know how Hitler came to power. A few bombs by anarchists, some of whom happened to be Jewish was an excuse to kill 6 million people.

Why do you hate anti-semites so much. You talk just like one.

[Kenneth]

Nick Griffin to attend white supremacist conference; BNP’s German allies launch anti-Israel tirade

He'll be there in the guise of a reformer no doubt.

[Mil]

Route? By which you mean exile, genocide? Well now I know how Hitler came to power. A few bombs by anarchists, some of whom happened to be Jewish was an excuse to kill 6 million people.

You are the one defending Morocco, which happened to actually cleanse Jews from its lands.

[andak01]

Route? By which you mean exile, genocide? Well now I know how Hitler came to power. A few bombs by anarchists, some of whom happened to be Jewish was an excuse to kill 6 million people.

You are the one defending Morocco, which happened to actually cleanse Jews from its lands.

Tens of thousands of Israeli Jews came out to mourn the very man supposedly responsible for ethnically cleansing them. How many Jews wept for Stalin or Hitler?

In a condolence message, Weizman called Hassan a "true partner in the peace process."

Attending the funeral, Barak called Hassan a "great leader" and a "farsighted man, a friend to the governments of Israel in their voyage toward peace with the Arab people."


http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/...ing-hassan-ii/

If the Weitzman and Barak of Israel can defend him, why is it so bad when I do it?

[Mil]

How many Jews wept for Stalin or Hitler?

Definitely none for Hitler but millions of Jews did genuinely wept for Stalin.

Tens of thousands of Israeli Jews came out to mourn the very man supposedly responsible for ethnically cleansing them.

Like we discussed before the king didn't really do much. In any case why are defending a racist country which has lost all of its Jews in a matter of 20-30 years?

[andak01]

Like we discussed before the king didn't really do much. In any case why are defending a racist country which has lost all of its Jews in a matter of 20-30 years?

It's a kingdom! If the king didn't really do much then not much was done! The king was and is the government of Morocco. If there was a government policy of ethnic cleansing then the king would have been behind it. There wasn't and he wasn't. On the contrary he enacted laws specifically aimed at preventing Jews from leaving the country from 1956-1963 and they did it anyway. As recently as 2003, the Jewish Agency continued to ferry Jews from Morocco to Israel as fast as possible. In that year, tens of thousands or Moroccans marched against terrorist attacks that had targetted Jews.

[Mil]

You mean the king put in racist laws that prohibited Jews from leaving. Freedom to travel is a fundamental human right according to UN.

Anyways, we have discussed this before. Loosing an entire segment of a certain population in a matter of 20-30 years has mostly to do with what Jews felt about Morocco then with what king did and did not do. Racism is racism - there no need to defend it even though the racists just happen to be ones of your own.

[andak01]

Anyways, we have discussed this before. Loosing an entire segment of a certain population in a matter of 20-30 years has mostly to do with what Jews felt about Morocco then with what king did and did not do. Racism is racism - there no need to defend it even though the racists just happen to be ones of your own.

I know all about racism. I was raised in the Jim Crow era in the South. There is not one single facet of persecution in Morocco that surpasses what blacks endurred at that time. The difference is that there was no place for them to go. If they had been told that they would be killed if they stayed and that the alternative was to get on a plane and head to Africa where citizenship, a job and housing would be awaiting them as well as eternal paradise, there wouldn't be but a few thousand African Americans living in the south today.

If the nature of this ethnic cleansing is what you say it is, there would not be even a single homesick Moroccan Jew in the world today. Why would anyone want to go back to a place with nothing but bad memories?

But that was not the case and people of my wife's generation are quite aware of that. She and other Moroccans grew up playing with Jews and sharing their lives with them. They lived in the same buildings and went to the same schools. That doesn't preclude racism or persecution. I grew up playing with blacks, but there was still racism.

[dayag]

I know all about racism. I was raised in the Jim Crow era in the South. There is not one single facet of persecution in Morocco that surpasses what blacks endurred at that time. The difference is that there was no place for them to go. If they had been told that they would be killed if they stayed and that the alternative was to get on a plane and head to Africa where citizenship, a job and housing would be awaiting them as well as eternal paradise, there wouldn't be but a few thousand African Americans living in the south today.

If the nature of this ethnic cleansing is what you say it is, there would not be even a single homesick Moroccan Jew in the world today. Why would anyone want to go back to a place with nothing but bad memories?

That's the key thing. The Jews in Morocco and elsewhere endured a lot over the centuries, but after 1948 they had options.

I do not mean to belittle the hardships they had to endure, but we also need to keep in mind the draw of living in the Holy Land. Israel had just come back into existence, and I have no doubt that was a factor as well. Personally, I would rather live in a Ma'abarah (resettlement camp) in Israel, than a palace in Casablanca and that has nothing to do with any fear of anti-Semitism.