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    "The Truth About the Mideast" an important article

    October 7, 2002 10:00 a.m.
    The Truth About the Mideast
    Fourteen fundamental facts about Israel and Palestine.

    By David G. Littman



    t's time to look back on 14 fundamental geographical, historical, and diplomatic facts from the last century
    relating to the Middle East. These basic facts and figures were stressed in recent statements to the U.N.
    Commission on Human Rights and its subcommission, to the surprise of representatives of both states and
    non-governmental organizations (NGOs).

    1) After World War I Great Britain accepted the 1922 Mandate for Palestine, and then —
    with League of Nations approval — used its article 25 to create two distinct entities within the
    Mandate-designated area.

    2) The territory lying between the Jordan River and the eastern desert boundary "of that part
    of Palestine which was known as Trans-Jordan" (nearly 78 percent) thus became the Emirate
    of Transjordan. This new entity was put under the rule of Emir Abdullah, the eldest son of the
    Sharif of Mecca, as a recompense for his support in the war against the Turks, and of Ibn
    Saud's seizure of Arabia (Faisal, Abdullah's brother, later received the even vaster Mandate
    area of Iraq).

    3) Turning a blind eye to article 15, Great Britain also decided that no Jews could reside or
    buy land in the newly created Emirate. This policy was ratified — after the emirate became a
    kingdom — by Jordan's law no. 6, sect. 3, on April 3, 1954, and reactivated in law no. 7,
    sect. 2, on April 1, 1963. It states that any person may become a citizen of Jordan unless he
    is a Jew. King Hussein made peace with Israel in 1994, but the Judenrein legislation remains
    valid today.

    4) The remaining area west of the Jordan River (comprising about 22 percent of the original
    Mandate) was then officially designated "Palestine" by Great Britain. As stated in the 1937
    Royal Commission Report, "the primary purpose of the Mandate, as expressed in its
    preamble and its articles, is to promote the establishment of the Jewish National Home."
    This was now greatly restricted.

    5) U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 (November 29, 1947) authorized a Partition Plan in this area: for an
    Arab and a Jewish state — and for a corpus separatum for Jerusalem. The plan was rejected by both the Arab
    League and the Arab-Palestinian leadership. Aided and abetted by the neighboring Arab countries, local armed
    Arab Palestinian forces immediately began attacking Jews, who counterattacked. On May 15, 1948, the armies of
    five Arab League states joined these militias in the invasion of Israel, but their armies failed in their goal of
    eradicating the fledgling state.

    6) The armistice boundaries (1949-1967) left Israel with roughly 16.5 percent, or 8,000 sq. miles, of the original
    1922 Mandate area (about 48,000 sq. miles), while about five percent — less Gaza, which was occupied by the
    Egyptians — was conquered and occupied in 1948 by British General Glubb Pasha, the commander of Abdullah's
    Arab Legion. The historic regions of "Judea and Samaria" — their official names as indicated on all British mandate
    maps until 1948 — were annexed and became the "West Bank" of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in 1950. All
    the Jews were expelled from the area and from the Old City of Jerusalem; their synagogues, and even tombstones
    on the Mount of Olives, were destroyed.

    7) Until King Hussein attacked Israel on June 6, 1967, Jordan's recognized de facto boundaries covered 83
    percent of Palestine (78 percent east of the Jordan river, and five percent to the west). Following its military defeat
    in the Six Day War, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan lost the "West Bank," which it had illegally annexed 19
    years earlier, retaining the huge "Transjordan" portion (78 percent) of the original League of Nations territory.

    8) Of Jordan's current population of five million, about two-thirds (over three million) consider themselves "Arab
    Palestinians." They are the descendants either of the original Arab Palestinian inhabitants of the Trans-Jordan
    region, or of roughly 550,000 Arab refugees from west Palestine who lost their homes after the Arab League
    armies failed to eradicate Israel first in 1948, and again in 1967. Nearly two million Jordanian Bedouin citizens and
    others do not identify themselves as Palestinians.

    9) After the 1967 disaster, an Arab League Summit Conference held in Khartoum that November reacted
    negatively to U.N. Security Council Resolution 247: "No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations
    with Israel, no concessions on the questions of Palestinian national rights." This was also the determined position of
    the PLO. Apart from Egypt's 1981 peace treaty with Israel, there was little change, for the next two decades, in
    this refusal to negotiate according to U.N. Resolution 242.

    10) In those "West Bank and Gaza" areas, designated by the Oslo Accords of 1994 to be placed under the
    administration of the Palestinian Authority (covering about 5.5 percent of the "Greater Palestine" area on both sides
    of the Jordan), there is now a population of over 3,200,000, of whom about 35,000 are Christians, but none are
    Jews.

    11) The population of the Jewish state — a state envisaged in the 1922 League of Nations Mandate, and
    confirmed by the U.N.'s 1947 decision — is now roughly 6,500,000, of whom roughly 20 percent are Arabs
    (120,000 Christians), Druze, and Bedouin citizens of Israel. Of the more than five million Jewish citizens, about
    one-half are those Jewish refugees from Arab countries, and their descendants, who fled or left their ancient
    homeland when massacres, arrests, and ostracism made life impossible (a further 300,000 emigrated to Europe and
    the Americas, where they number over a million).

    12) Today, a tiny, vulnerable Jewish remnant — scarcely 5,000 persons — remains in all the Arab world, less than
    half of one percent from the near million who were there in 1948 (this does not include the 50,000 in Turkey and
    Iran, left of about 200,000 in 1945). These are the forgotten Jewish refugees from Arab lands, from countries that
    will soon be totally judenrein just as Jordan has been since 1922.

    13) The 22 Arab League countries cover a global surface of over six million square miles, over ten percent of the
    land surface on earth. Israel, by contrast, covers barely 8,000 sq. miles.

    14) Security Council Resolution 242 has now become the panacea for Arab states, yet their interpretation of its key
    operative paragraph does not correspond to the English original, which version alone is binding. In March 2002, a
    Saudi "peace plan" was approved by the Arab League in Beirut, but behind it lurks the former 1981 "Fahd Plan" —
    with a facelift — that would leave Israel with impossible borders. After the Iraqi menace has been resolved one
    way or another, what is needed for the "Middle East peace process" is a concerted effort to support the Mitchell
    plan, which could one day lead to true peace and reconciliation for the whole region. But the Palestinian Authority
    will only become a genuine partner with Israel, alongside Jordan and Egypt, if there is a radical break with the past,
    and a new spirit of mutual acceptance prevails between the Arab world and Israel — with individual and collective
    security and dignity for all. This will only be feasible if democratic institutions and a respect for human rights and the
    rule of law become the norm, as they now are not. And it will only be feasible if the Arab world recognizes the
    inalienable legitimacy of Israel's existence in a part of its historical land.

    — David G. Littman is a historian. Since 1986, he has been active on human-rights issues at the U.N.
    Commission on Human Rights in Geneva. His recent statements on this subject were made as a representative
    of the World Union for Progressive Judaism, a nongovernmental organization.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...tman100702.asp

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    1) After World War I Great Britain accepted the 1922 Mandate for Palestine, and then —
    with League of Nations approval — used its article 25 to create two distinct entities within the
    Mandate-designated area.
    Notice how, even tho it was their own land, the Palestinians had absolutely no say in the Mandates.

    2) The territory lying between the Jordan River and the eastern desert boundary "of that part
    of Palestine which was known as Trans-Jordan" (nearly 78 percent) thus became the Emirate
    of Transjordan.
    Now notice how other peopl are deciding how Arab lands should b split up, and how again Arabs on their own land have no say.

    4) The remaining area west of the Jordan River (comprising about 22 percent of the original
    Mandate) was then officially designated "Palestine" by Great Britain. As stated in the 1937
    Royal Commission Report, "the primary purpose of the Mandate, as expressed in its
    preamble and its articles, is to promote the establishment of the Jewish National Home."
    This was now greatly restricted.
    Once again, other powers playing with Arab land in which Arabs have no say...

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    10) In those "West Bank and Gaza" areas, designated by the Oslo Accords of 1994 to be placed under the
    administration of the Palestinian Authority (covering about 5.5 percent of the "Greater Palestine" area on both sides
    of the Jordan), there is now a population of over 3,200,000, of whom about 35,000 are Christians, but none are
    Jews.


    Has he not heard of the settlements?

    5) U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 (November 29, 1947) authorized a Partition Plan in this area: for an
    Arab and a Jewish state — and for a corpus separatum for Jerusalem. The plan was rejected by both the Arab
    League and the Arab-Palestinian leadership. Aided and abetted by the neighboring Arab countries, local armed
    Arab Palestinian forces immediately began attacking Jews, who counterattacked. On May 15, 1948, the armies of
    five Arab League states joined these militias in the invasion of Israel, but their armies failed in their goal of
    eradicating the fledgling state.


    And of course, there is lots of argument about why the plan was rejected, and as to whom who was attacking whom. Benny Morris and other "New Historians" have shown that the process was definitely a two way thing.

    So, generally a one sided history that is very debatable.

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    Originally posted by Mehmet III

    Notice how, even tho it was their own land, the Palestinians had absolutely no say in the Mandates.


    Now notice how other peopl are deciding how Arab lands should b split up, and how again Arabs on their own land have no say.


    Once again, other powers playing with Arab land in which Arabs have no say...
    Yes, in America, if you do not possess the ability to raise a child properly, an authority will have to take them and do the job for you. Yes, sometimes there's problems with this, but in the end, the child is better off.

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    Now notice how other peopl are deciding how Arab lands should b split up, and how again Arabs on their own land have no say.
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    Once again, other powers playing with Arab land in which Arabs have no say...



    You're debating the entirety of modern history. It was arab lands given to arabs as the transition from a colonial state to a nation. That's what happens. All this postcolonialistic teeth gnashing about the 'unfairness' of how colonial states made the transition to nationhood is trivial and silly.

    Left up to them alone would have resulted in anarchy and we would be calling it benign neglect. Is this the postmodern interpretation of communism now? Let everything splash in the abattoir and somehow through some process called "freedom" it all turns out good?

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    Originally posted by freethepeeps
    And of course, there is lots of argument about why the plan was rejected

    Sure, but in the end it doesn't matter WHY. It's simply irrelevant. If you're still fighting that war to block the creation of the state of Israel you are wasting your time. History, or whatever you call it, doesn't lead you to a justification you already believe you have. It's the creation of Israel, it's the 6 day war, it's Oslo. Next week there will be another 'truth nugget factoid' that 'proves' it all. And the week after that and after that and so on. It sounds like what you want instead of proof is absolution.

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    Yes, in America, if you do not possess the ability to raise a child properly, an authority will have to take them and do the job for you. Yes, sometimes there's problems with this, but in the end, the child is better off.
    How about letting the "child" decide who he wants to become? How about not pretending he is a child? History of the middle east goes back milleniums, history of America goes back centuries.
    You're debating the entirety of modern history. It was arab lands given to arabs as the transition from a colonial state to a nation. That's what happens. All this postcolonialistic teeth gnashing about the 'unfairness' of how colonial states made the transition to nationhood is trivial and silly.
    Its not so trivial and silly to the colonized peoples. Its called justice.
    Left up to them alone would have resulted in anarchy and we would be calling it benign neglect. Is this the postmodern interpretation of communism now? Let everything splash in the abattoir and somehow through some process called "freedom" it all turns out good?
    People everywhere have the right to decide on their own sovergnty, noone has the right to forcefully impose their ideas on another people.

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    Originally posted by Mehmet III
    People everywhere have the right to decide on their own sovergnty, noone has the right to forcefully impose their ideas on another people.
    Of course, that's the exact opposite from reality.

    Do you think that if a group of people in middle of France, or Turkey, or anywhere else decide that they want to be "sovereign" and start declaring parts of Istanbul and Paris to be independent states, then all is well?

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    Originally posted by Mehmet III

    How about letting the "child" decide who he wants to become? How about not pretending he is a child? History of the middle east goes back milleniums, history of America goes back centuries.

    Its not so trivial and silly to the colonized peoples. Its called justice.

    People everywhere have the right to decide on their own sovergnty, noone has the right to forcefully impose their ideas on another people.
    As of today, October 10, 2002, I declare the entire city of Encinitas, California, USA - MinusTheJihadistan!

    Albeit, I migrated here from Baku, Aizerbaijan, FSU to Detroit, Michigan, so did the damned Aztecs, Mexicans, Spanish, Americans and every other colonialist powers that dominated my original people's land - the Homo-Sapeans Encinitas!

    Today I declare Sovereignty for me because I have a right to decide. You can't tell me what to do, even though I have no papers or documentation binding me to this land, no infrastructure plans or funds to build it. No way of cultivating this dry land or anything. But DAMN IT, I want my freedom from oppresion and I will take the entire city of Encinitas TODAY!

    VIVA MINUSTHEJIHADISTAN!

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    Originally posted by Mehmet III
    [BIts not so trivial and silly to the colonized peoples. Its called justice.

    People everywhere have the right to decide on their own sovergnty, noone has the right to forcefully impose their ideas on another people. [/B]

    You're entirely missing the point. Its about the transition from colonialism to whatever is next. Sure people have a right to determine their next form of government but never in the history of the world have former colonial subjects been given the right to determine their own national borders.

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    Originally posted by minusthejihad
    But DAMN IT, I want my freedom from oppresion and I will take the entire city of Encinitas TODAY!

    VIVA MINUSTHEJIHADISTAN!


    Encinitas is great, but might as well go for La Jolla -- More expensive real estate.

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    Originally posted by NewsGuy




    Encinitas is great, but might as well go for La Jolla -- More expensive real estate.
    You are right. But the people here are a tad nicer and less superficial. Naturally, they'd be easier to conquer!

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    As of today, October 10, 2002, I declare the entire city of Encinitas, California, USA - MinusTheJihadistan!
    wat gives u the right to impose ur ideas on the whole of Encinitas CA?

    Today I declare Sovereignty for me because I have a right to decide. You can't tell me what to do, even though I have no papers or documentation binding me to this land, no infrastructure plans or funds to build it. No way of cultivating this dry land or anything. But DAMN IT, I want my freedom from oppresion and I will take the entire city of Encinitas TODAY!
    let me restate, hiliting the parts u misunderstand...
    "People everywhere have the right to decide on their own sovergnty, noone has the right to forcefully impose their ideas on another people ."
    notice how it says "PEOPLE" and not "ONE PERSON"
    but never in the history of the world have former colonial subjects been given the right to determine their own national borders.
    actually they have, India as an example. Unlike many colonies in Africa, Arabs had already set a border for the entirety of Arabs befor colonization. Also, a people were never displaced on a mass scale (exept for slave trade) and borders were determined by surrounding one kind of peoples in a country.

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    oh yeah India/Pakistan, millions died as a result.

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    Originally posted by Mediocrates
    oh yeah India/Pakistan, millions died as a result.
    That was bcuz of differences within the ppl and was happening anyway regardless.
    But ok.. u want an example wher millions dont die as a result?
    Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Iran, ....

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