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    From Jew-hater to a Jew-lover

    Muslims from childhood just grow up hating the Jews. As soon as Muslim kids begin to understand things, they start hearing the propaganda of how the Jews of Medina had insulted and fought with our beloved Prophet. This at an early age when they haven’t grown old enough to know how to question things. So, they never get to know the details. They just grow up with that hatred for the Jews ingrained in their heart and mind.



    I personally grew up as a believing Muslim but practising very little the rituals and learning the scriptures (which was the case with more than 80% of the young people during that time). Still, I also grew up with that hatred against the Jews without ever meeting one, nor knowing the circumstances that had led to the conflict between the Jews and our Prophet. For the first time, I raised the question of why Muslims see the Jews as enemies when I was a third-year undergraduate student, while discussing about an event that took place in Israel/Palestine with a few friends (more religious and knowledgeable in Islam). The answer I got was that the Jews fought and insulted the Prophet and Allah says in the Koran that Jews are a cursed people who will never find a abode to live in peace (my recent investigation into Islam finds it absolutely true). That was a good enough reason; when Allah (the Creator) has said so, it must not be questioned further or explanation sought. I didn’t question it for another 15 years until the following experience that changed my life significantly.



    Before I paid a visit to Bangladesh in early 2002, a few months after the parliamentary election, I was already saddened by what had happened to the Hindu minorities in the post election days. The Jamat-e-Islami aligned nationalist coalition, led by the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), which had trounced the pseudo-secular incumbent Awamy League party, then in power. Following the election, the victorious party cadres went on a rampage against the people aligned with the defeated party. The ever insecure Hindu community, which traditionally votes for the secular parties, had to bear brunt of this horrendous campaign most. Rapes (including gang-rapes), torture and humiliation (with incidence of stripping and parading the Hindu women around the village) became widespread according to media reports. One investigative report by the most popular English newspaper in Bangladesh, Daily Star, cited they had interviewed nearly 1000 Hindu women and girls, who had been raped or gang-raped in a single district. The age of the victims ranged from an 8 year-old minor to a 72 year-old grandmother.



    When I arrived home, I had more to learn about. I learned how activists of the defeated party, even of the Muslim background, spent months in terror. Some of them, who did not have tribal muscle-power and got caught, were paraded around the locality with garland of shoes round their neck. The subsequent media outcries and international condemnations forced the government to crackdown on the horrendous violence and violations, after a barrage of defiant denials in the initial weeks.



    This left a lasting mark on my mind which probably changed me forever. Instituting a government based on the Islamic ideals is the vision of the Jamat-i-Islami party. BNP is the slightly moderate Islamo-nationalist party; its founding father changed the constitution of Bangladesh from secular (instituted in the 1970s by the founding father of defeated Awamy League) to an Islamist one in the 1980s. These two parties combined represent the Islamic face of Bangladesh. All these flagrant violations of human dignity and rights happened under their stewardship and patronage. Whether real Islam had anything to do with it or not; what struck me most is that so long there will be divides between people, like Hindu-Muslim barriers, such things will continue to happen. Whatsoever the true Islam may represent is not worth it.



    Earlier, I knew how the Hindus had to move out of East Bengal and later Bangladesh in tens of millions to India because of the treatment they received from the majority Muslims. I myself had the experience of foiling a bid to kidnap my Hindu classmate (girl) to force her into marry a Muslim thug (who had dropped out from my class a few years earlier). I played a crucial role in foiling the bid by alerting the girl and her family and helping them escape to India. I considered my effort in this incident a great gesture of kindness to my classmate, without realizing for a long time how much distress and pain the whole thing might have had caused to the victim, who had to abandon their ancestral homes of centuries forever.



    Although my outlook on life took a humanistic turn after this, I did not leave Islam for the fear of being roasted by Allah in the fire of hell. I still thought, there was probably something very worthwhile in Islam. Else why would so many people believe in it? Why were so many people converting to Islam? Why is it the fastest growing religion? And why are so many Westerners, including some famous ones like Cat Steven, also converting to Islam? But what ensued in the Organization of Islamic Conference (O.I.C.) meeting in Kuala Lumpur in March 2003 changed my life decisively.



    Mahathir Muhammad was my hero, whom I used see as a model for the Muslim world’s progress towards moderation, prosperity and development. Never did I realize that there was so much poison (Islamic) in the mind of this highly acclaimed leader—both in the East and the West. That Mahathir speech, loaded with vicious Jew hatred, definitely changed my perspectives of the world forever. I decidedly lost my religion. I became more sympathetic to the people of other religions (including Jews) than I was before, which they definitely deserve. The terrible treatments doled out to the Hindus, Buddhists, Christians and Jews etc. in any Muslim-dominated country in the world on a daily basis even today would easily justify my sympathetic views of them by any standard of logic.



    This also marked the commencement of my journey of finding out what is there in Islam that can fill the mind of 1.4 billion Muslims with such poisonous and cruel thoughts and utter degree of irrationality as was spelled out in Mahathir’s speech. After studying Islam (the Koran and prophet’s biographies) to a great deal, what I found is that it all comes from these books. I also found out that the Jews had did nothing wrong to Prophet Muhammad and his treatment of the Jews was nothing less than barbaric. The hatred Muslims entertain towards Jews today is totally undeserving of them.



    [This essay was published in Islam Watch (www.islam-watch.org) on 14 Feb, 2007]

    http://www.bangarashtra.org/index.ph...sk=view&id=529

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    pagan...
    beleive me those group took the islam and made from this religion a new religion..thinks rape a girl just because they are from other religion this is not islam..this is saten work..what would you thinks if someone was raping any girl you know on the name of his religion..??
    will you thinks this is holy work ..?? or saten work ..??

    at the bible there are to blass that has been given,from god..
    one is for the jewish people ,(Isaac- the father of the jewish people--
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac

    )
    and the other for his brother Esau http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esau
    from his son are the people of jorden and saudia arabia..

    isaac blass to be uniqe and special,and get many achievement..
    the esau -get the blass to be with many people ,land and power..
    at hebrew (joy gadol)..

    that mean god bring to blass ,and by the bible that mean that he could sent to any one of them there own profit,but the other side can not exacpt the other profit as his profit ,else a profit to the other side..

    anyway if you are heart someone other blass ,that mean you are hearting also the all blass-and this mean you are at the same time hearting your profit as well..because of this blass that splite for 2 part..

    anyway this blass has many sign that is exsist till today,the muslim realy got bigger and has alote of power land and money as it had give to them..
    and the sons of isaac(israel-jewish- people)-has many people from this religion that has extream precent of successful,people ..as some you maybe heard a bout then such as :
    Albert Einstein - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

    and so many other ...ok take a link that will show you some of them
    http://www.heebz.com/categories/Scie...nd-Researchers

    and this is for religion that has only today number of 13,000,000 (13 million people -over the all world)..less then one city of india..

    since i am living at israel,i can tell you that at israel there are 1.5 million muslim with citizen that we are living one near each other at the same citys ,and we are living with very good neighbor relation ,and give them all the respect..
    at the gaza and the other land there are alote of money that they get from iran ,to keep fight,so there are fight -from time to time(but at those area there are not living any jewish people(gaza) 'only muslim,and the army do not enter there ,only when they start to sent missile(thanks god not happen for almost a year),but of course after the fight the army get out from this land ,very soon after..and let the palestian army the control for his land.

    anyway at those fight ther jewish are not rape any woman ,and relay try not to kill any one that it is not arm.

    many people at israel has a will to drop land for palestian country,if they will agree to do peace a greement,the problem is that iran sent so many many and weapon ,that this thinks will not happen,for realy long time..

    take a look at the list on this site http://www.heebz.com/

    and you will understand what is the donation for the world ..

    then you will understand that the jewish people is not so bad as you thinks,and those people has they reason to make you believe that the jewish are bad(the reason is because :they has many problem -such as poor people,corruption,and need to bring people why they should not do any thinks for those problem,the easy reason is the jewish are the problem -by there propaganda)..

    example: you dont have money to buy food-the jewish are guilty for this..
    you are have bad life-then it all because of the jewish how kill palestian children...
    i didnt find any jewish at my country--> well they are not here ,but they could make problem from far a way...

    and so on...


    the jewish is not so bad ,as any other western people are,and at many case you will not know that the american ,and the man from canada or australia is a jewish...

    *remark:i dont write a lote because of my bad english,but at this case i realy try ,because your post almost point for me..

    icarus5

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    Hello icarus5,
    I read through the whole post even though it made a difficult reading.

    I am an Israel supporter and a Hindu Zionist.
    Iran is arming Hizbollah because of Islamic brotherhood . The Islamic brotherhood is based on the hatred for Kaffirs including Jews.

    ISLAM IS ISRAEL"S ENEMY. IF ISLAM WINS THE WORLD THE JEWISH RACE WOULD BECOME EXTINCT,JUDAISM DEAD AND ISRAEL HISTORY.....NEVER TO RISE AGAIN.

    Do not judge Islam based on the Muslims you know and do not judge Muslims based on the Islam you know.

    Please read www.faithfreedom.org

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    pagan..

    i dont like to judge anyone because of his religion,i prefer to judge people because what they do good thinks for the all people..
    and this kind of people are very small precent of the human race.(much less then 1%)..
    thinks there are all over the world 6 billion people,but only few will do exstream change by discover new way of thinks,or develope uniqe advance.
    and those people could not come from people such as the egypt gama al ismalia(the muslim brother),that know to take people and make them hate other because of they has other relgion- then they own religon.

    the gama al ismalia-is the father and mother of the al qwida movement.
    those group have power and money,idologic,many people that act at they way...

    i am pretty sure that bin laden one day will be found at those area,of south egypt or more west at south algeria.

    but what good thinks those people will do to the human race..???

    anyway i am respecting any other people religion,and the the people of india ,never made any bad for the people of israel..
    anyway look ,where you will find the jewish people,and you will find that at those country there were been a big develope,and those country are the the most popular country on the world,where people like to been..

    i dont thinks germany were been so popular without the big community of jewish people there ,till the middel of the last centry..

    but most of the jewish in the world ,live at u.s.a,canada,israel,australia,and till the 80th at russia,and also a great number at UK and french..

    if at india will have half million jewish,then india has much more develope,because this what the jewish know to do ...


    icarus5

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    Quote Originally Posted by icarus5 View Post
    but most of the jewish in the world ,live at u.s.a,canada,israel,australia,and till the 80th at russia,and also a great number at UK and french..

    if at india will have half million jewish,then india has much more develope,because this what the jewish know to do ...


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    You should read the History of Jews In India. Here is one link - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...m/indians.html
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    shravan

    that ok,i know there are many jewish at india,and many jewish from india that live at israel,including one feamly at the block where i am living today..
    jewish people from india are in large number at israel..

    but i know that the jewish people at many case are very involve in the development at the country they are staying at.

    since at the jewish feamly the high education is very important value,and the precent of people with a high education title at israel is very high.

    so more engineers,doctors,scientist-could not make any problem'to any country..only more devlopment.

    this year and the one before 2 israeli got novel price..but i dont remember ,when was the last time that india got price novel..
    i may check this when i will have some time..

    but if you like to make good works jobs ,you should discover the people that can take you to there,and give them all the assistance,to make the new develope ,any develope can creat many new good jobs,by take those develope and make them product that sell on many other country..

    if india will wait-- that other company will just come to your country ,for product with low price,then those company also can move to other low price work country ,the same way that they were been coming to your country(because of lower price proudct)..such as China,or Vietnam...

    if you realy like to make good work,you should find way to developing by yourself,as china had done..

    i am pretty sure that india has a lote of power to make your country much more develope then your country is been today..

    and the first thinks you should make is more education,more knowlege,and more invest of many,and much more at the transport area.

    *sorry that the conversation is getting also to other direction..
    (since this conversation began with the religion issue)..

    icarus5

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    Quote Originally Posted by icarus5 View Post
    since at the jewish feamly the high education is very important value,and the precent of people with a high education title at israel is very high.

    so more engineers,doctors,scientist-could not make any problem'to any country..only more devlopment.

    this year and the one before 2 israeli got novel price..but i dont remember ,when was the last time that india got price novel..
    i may check this when i will have some time..
    I agree with you Jews are VERY intelligent but Indians are not stupid. Check some of the Einstein quotes on Indians...

    We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.
    -Albert Einstein


    When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.
    - Albert Einstein


    Einstein wrote: "C.V. Raman was the first to recognise and demonstrate that the energy of photon can undergo partial transformation within matter. I still recall vividly the deep impression that this discovery made on all of us... ."

    Last time when a Hindu got a Nobel prize was this year....

    Check the Hindu population staying outside India. Hindu population has one of the highest numbers of doctors, engineers, etc. And the second generations have the highest numbers of PHD's compared to others. Many of them are coming back to India.


    if you realy like to make good work,you should find way to developing by yourself,as china had done..
    No doubt china is ahead when in comes to development but i am happy with the rate India is moving. In Democracy things move slowly but we are not that behind. Another Decade & we will be ahead of China.

    India's economy is largely based on its domestic market. Exports have grown dramatically but even now, they account for about 20% of India's economy, 80% of the economy is still internal domestic based.
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    shravan

    all you had say is good thinks since india is one of the two big country on the world..
    and the world can not effort that those 2 country will not be in good way of developement ,those 2 country are influence all over the world economy ..

    and i must also say that there are many company at israel that work with other company at india(bring them work by the internet)..even my cousin has a company with few worker at india ,and he bring them work(on computer software)..

    but onther man that i know that visit at india last year ,tell me that the develope of the infrastructure at india is not enough,and the way of the thread there is still risky ,so he didnt enter to any cooperation there..yat

    but maybe at the future he will do that,(anyway he just make a visit as a tourist,and check so option(he didnt arise any money yet)..
    but as i know from some other people the thread with china is very easy,and not so riskey..


    anyway there are some more israeli that enter to the india market of oil,and they bring some new technology to india,i dont know at what level they are staying today,but they get realy big land (that was not using before),to the oil tree,and the irrigating new ways they bring from israel,including the species that bring more oild..


    *man-they alway has to speak a bout business..


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