Other uses for Mosques

[Agnosthiest]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapc...ack/index.html

Dozens dead in Pakistan mosque attack

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- Four militants armed with guns and grenades stormed a Pakistani mosque in Rawalpindi frequented by active and retired military personnel, killing dozens of people Friday, authorities said.

Abbas said two of the attackers were suicide bombers who blew themselves up inside the Parade Lane mosque; the other two were shot and killed by security forces outside the mosque.

Mosques. An ideal location for preaching hate.

Mosques. An ideal location for recruiting extremists.

Mosques. An ideal location for plotting military strikes.

Mosques. An ideal location for storing weapons.

Mosques. An ideal military target for Islamist extremists.

[Sanket]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapc...ack/index.html

Dozens dead in Pakistan mosque attack

It was a High security area. Most of the people killed were Military Officers & their Children.

More than 40 people were killed including 17 children.

One Major General, One Brigadier, Two Lieutenant Colonels and One Major were killed.

[andak01]

It was a High security area. Most of the people killed were Military Officers & their Children.

More than 40 people were killed including 17 children.

One Major General, One Brigadier, Two Lieutenant Colonels and One Major were killed.

So, let me understand. You're clapping because Muslim military people and their children were killed by terrorists while they prayed??? That's pretty sick.

You should consider what they did that made them such enemies of terrorists. But that would actually require some thought. I wonder if even one other poster here is going to repremand you for applauding the actions of terrorists. Probably not.

[Agnosthiest]

One Major General, One Brigadier, Two Lieutenant Colonels and One Major were killed.

"Among the dead were 17 children, according to the military's Web site"

i must agree with andak. clapping isnt really a sign of good mental health here, sorry.

[NewsGuy]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapc...ack/index.html

Dozens dead in Pakistan mosque attack

Mosques. An ideal location for preaching hate.

Mosques. An ideal location for recruiting extremists.

Mosques. An ideal location for plotting military strikes.

Mosques. An ideal location for storing weapons.

Mosques. An ideal military target for Islamist extremists.

A few thoughts:

When you read more details of the incident, it's even more bone-chilling: The Muslim terrorists targeted the mosque, which was filled with 200 worshippers who were praying on Islam's day of prayer. They began throwing hand-grenades and firing machine-guns everywhere. Then, two suicide bombers blew themselves up in middle of the praying Muslims, which included men, women and children, not to mention Qurans and other Muslim religious artifacts.

From news article:

Nasir Ali Sheikh saw the attackers at the mosque as he walked there to pray. He said they were dressed in traditional Pakistani clothing of loose pants and a long tunic and carried hand grenades, automatic weapons and ammunition belts slung around their shoulders.

"They were killing people like animals," he said. "I couldn't understand what was happening."

The mosque's walls and prayer mats were covered in blood and shattered glass lined the floor, TV footage showed.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579285,00.html

So far, at least 36 were mass-murdered and God only knows how many wounded and how many more will die from their wounds.

In general, I return to the point I've made many times before, we need to learn from the actions of the Muslims. Islam itself is not really a religion in the same sense as we view religion in the West. Instead, its religious institutions are often used as weapons storage facilities, firing positions, and of course terrorism recruiting centers. That's why their fellow Muslims feel free to burst into prayers and machine-gun and bomb all in sight.

This is the same thing we see as Hamas mass murders other terrorists in mosques, and Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, India, etc., all report incidents of Muslims mass-murdering their fellow Muslims in the mosques. We ourselves should not view these institutions in the same way we view churches and temples, etc. It's important to follow the lesson learned form the Muslims themselves.

Second, notice that the Muslims consider the lives of their own people to be worthless. The more they kill, the happier they believe Allah to be. That's why those who mass-murder worshippers are viewed as brave "shahids," or holy warriors.

Third, by this evening, the whole incident will be long-forgotten in the Muslim world, and they will return to only discuss how evil America and Israel are. This type of massacre, even in a mosque, is just business as usual in the Muslim world. Nothing to get too excited about, nothing to even fill the airways of the Muslim TV stations, or the pages of the Muslim newspapers. Only the evil "Ameriqiya" and "al Yaud" will make it to the front pages.

On the other hand, if a cartoon of the great Muhammed is published, well, then... The entire Muslim world will riot for months on end.

It's important to out these things in perspective...

[Sanket]

So, let me understand. You're clapping because Muslim military people and their children were killed by terrorists while they prayed??? That's pretty sick.

Remove the Muslim Part. Pakistan alone has brought more bad name to Islam than any other country. 90% of the Global Jihad has links with Pakistan. Even some Islamic countries don't give them Visas without tough checks. All the people who visit Pakistan or are realated to it are on the FBI radar....

And i don't care about their Children or Women. This were the same people who were celebrating Taliban Rule over Afghanistan and was the first country to recognize Taliban. Still they think Taliban should rule Afghanistan...

You should consider what they did that made them such enemies of terrorists. But that would actually require some thought. I wonder if even one other poster here is going to repremand you for applauding the actions of terrorists. Probably not.

They have become terrorists when they started attacking Pakistan. This are the same people who were once called freedom fighters.
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[Sanket]

i must agree with andak. clapping isnt really a sign of good mental health here, sorry.

I cried for many years but know i am enjoying it. I really don't care what you think.


Have you seen the Nariman House photos where the Jewish couple bodies were tortured. If you have time please watch the documentary on 26/11. Last year the same Army Officers (retired?) were telling the Terrorists in Mumbai to Torture/Kill the Jews.

[Sanket]

Agnosthiest,

i am quoting what i said 4 months back.

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=16079
Fantastic News.

This news confirms Mehsud is dead and we can expect bigger attack now in Pakistan maybe after Ramadan.

I am enjoying each and every bomb bast in Pakistan. Don't forget to check that thread.

[Yala]

This is a terrible story.

It is hard to know who the bad guys are and the good in Pakistan. Some of the elite police units have coordinated with terrorist groups to stage attacks in India and some have fought terrorists within Pakistan itself.

Now, this is just another example of what I said a few years ago. Since (the majority of) Muslims did not protest enough against suicide bombings, now Muslims are the majority of the people killed by suicide bombings. When Jews or Christians were killed and some Muslims passed out candy it was okay, but unfortunately now as Obama's racist pastor said "the chickens have come home to roost." I hope at least now Muslims will start protesting against suicide bombings. If they protested 1/0000 of the amount they did against Israel or against cartoons I believe they could make a HUGE difference.

Suicide bombings are among the worst crimes against humanity.

[Sanket]

and some have fought terrorists within Pakistan itself.

Most of them will not fight against the Taliban that's why from time to time without any proof some ministers & Army Officers come out and say Yindoo & Joos are supporting the TTP (Taliban) and Black Water (Xe) is behind the recent bombings.

[Tonto]

I was kind of freaked the other day when I read that a study by West Point, the US Army Military Academy, said that muzleem extremists are 8 times more likely to attack other muzleems than they are non-muzleems. Maybe our friend andak can enlighten us on why, exactly, that might be. I thought that muzleems simply attacked other muzleems because there were no kafirs handy and they had some extra angst and ordinance to work off.

[Yala]

most of them will not fight against the taliban that's why from time to time without any proof some ministers & army officers come out and say yindoo & joos are supporting the ttp (taliban) and black water (xe) is behind the recent bombings.

lol

[Sanket]

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From NY TIMES : The Demons That Haunt the Pakistanis
By SABRINA TAVERNISE
Published: December 5, 2009

“The real terrorists are not the men in turbans we see on Al Jazeera,” said the psychiatrist, Dr. Malik H. Mubbashar, vice chancellor of the University of Health Sciences in Lahore. “They are wearing Gucci suits and Brit hats. It’s your great country, Madam.”

I asked him to spell it out. “It’s coming from Americans, Jews and Indians,” he said. “It’s an axis of evil that’s being supervised by you people.”

Being a diplomat, Ms. Lodhi speaks in a low key. But not Dr. Mubbashar, whose brand of patriotism may sound paranoid to an American, but is shared by many Pakistanis. He asserted that the American security company formerly known as Blackwater, a favorite target of criticism for ultranationalists, rented a house next to his, and that its employees had been trying to lure his servants with sweets, alcohol and “McDonald’s food every Sunday.”

Conspiracy theories are pervasive in Pakistan, and Ms. Alvi offered an explanation. They are a projection, she said — a defense mechanism that protects one’s psyche from something too difficult to accept. “It’s not me, it’s you,” she said. “It’s a denial of personal responsibility, which goes a long way to cripple our growth.”

[andak01]

In general, I return to the point I've made many times before, we need to learn from the actions of the Muslims.

Well are you going to learn also from the actions of the Muslims who died while praying? Don't they also represent something? If you've got Muslim victims among those in the Pakistani military who were fighting against terrorism and were killed in a mosque, doesn't that make you think a) Muslim terrorists have to go to a mosque to kill their worst enemies (MUSLIMS) and b) every family member of those killed is now a sworn enemy of those terrorists. Do you think that's going to recruit devout Muslims after their mosque and family was shot up???

Islam itself is not really a religion in the same sense as we view religion in the West.

I'm not so sure. You had nothing to say when a bunch of Congolese terrorists hacked people to death in front of a church. They weren't Muslim and the victims weren't Muslim. Should we just dismiss the religion of the victims' the way you just did.

"They burned people who were praying in a church," he said.

http://www.christianpost.com/article...med/index.html


45 or more people hiding inside a Catholic Church in the village of Doruma in the Democratic Republic of the Congo were murdered on December 26, 2008. They were killed in a massacre by rebels using machetes, swords and clubs.Bloomberg: Lord's Resistance Army Kills 189 in Congo Attack... (December 29, 2008)2 According to The United Nations, the villagers were killed by the Lord's Resistance Army, a rebel group of Uganda who has been hiding inside Congo since being evicted from Uganda five years ago.Fox News: More Than 100 Hacked to Death in Congo Church Massacre (December 29, 2008)3

The group describes themselves as a Christian army that wants to establish a Ugandan government based on Christianity. The group is responsible for killing tens of thousands of people, kidnapping young children and forcing them to become sex slaves or fighters.International Herald Tribune: ...Ugandan rebels massacre nearly 200... (December 29, 2008)1

http://www.mahalo.com/congo-church-massacre

The Catholic aid agency said it believes 400 people were killed in massacres carried out in Congo by Ugandan rebels on Christmas Day and the days following.

Caritas said it had received “disturbing’ reports from the field of mass killings perpetrated by the notorious Ugandan rebel group, the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA).

http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...acre/22221.htm

So tell me, how is it more brutal when a group of people calling themselves Muslims kills a bunch of people in a mosque than it is when a group of people calling themselves Christian kills a bunch of people in a church?

Instead, its religious institutions are often used as weapons storage facilities, firing positions, and of course terrorism recruiting centers.

So, in your opinion, burning down a church would be a good method of recruiting christian terrorists?

Third, by this evening, the whole incident will be long-forgotten in the Muslim world, and they will return to only discuss how evil America and Israel are. This type of massacre, even in a mosque, is just business as usual in the Muslim world. Nothing to get too excited about, nothing to even fill the airways of the Muslim TV stations, or the pages of the Muslim newspapers. Only the evil "Ameriqiya" and "al Yaud" will make it to the front pages.

No. Contrary to what you may think, Muslims actually do mourn their dead. For that matter, they often mourn the death of any other victim of terrorism.

On the other hand, if a cartoon of the great Muhammed is published, well, then... The entire Muslim world will riot for months on end.

It's important to out these things in perspective...

First off, the entire Muslim world didn't riot. There were many peaceful demonstrations, some involving tens of thousands of demonstrators where noone was injured or attacked in any way. Second, the period of these incidents was over about a month, not "months on end".

So really, from your point of view, perspective isn't what's needed. You're in need of facts.

Here's a list of OIC countries that have no recorded incidents relating to the cartoons.

Albania
Algeria
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Benin
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Brunei
Burkina Faso
Cameroon
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Côte d'Ivoire
Cyprus
Djibouti
Gabon
Gambia
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Mauritania
Morocco
Mozambique
Niger
Oman
Qatar
Senegal
Serbia
Sierra Leone
Sudan
Suriname
Tajikistan
Tunisia
Turkmenistan
United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan


http://web.archive.org/web/20060715064323/www.cartoonbodycount.com/incidents?from=40

[andak01]

I was kind of freaked the other day when I read that a study by West Point, the US Army Military Academy, said that muzleem extremists are 8 times more likely to attack other muzleems than they are non-muzleems. Maybe our friend andak can enlighten us on why, exactly, that might be. I thought that muzleems simply attacked other muzleems because there were no kafirs handy and they had some extra angst and ordinance to work off.

Hey, I'm willing to take that on. Muslims who fight terrorism are a much more fearful enemy to terrorists than non-Muslims. Their only hope is to recruit us to their cause, and when they can't do so, it's all over but the shouting.