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    Israel-Britain Relations "in deep freeze"

    Britain last night fired the first shot in a potentially explosive diplomatic row with Israel by calling in the country's ambassador to explain the use of faked British passports by a hit squad who targeted a Hamas official in Dubai.

    The Israeli ambassador has been summoned to the Foreign Office to "share information" about the assassins' use of identities stolen from six British citizens living in Israel, as part of the meticulously orchestrated assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

    Britain has stopped short of accusing Israel of involvement, but to signal its displeasure, the Foreign Office ignored an Israeli plea to keep the summons secret. "Relations were in the freezer before this. They are in the deep freeze now," an official told the Guardian.
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    Israel has to explain something to which it hasn't admitted responsibility. Guilty until proven innocent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayag View Post
    Israel has to explain something to which it hasn't admitted responsibility. Guilty until proven innocent?
    Maybe Israel did do this (in fact it's the most probable thing, Mossad has used passports belonging to Israeli citizens before), but Israel could also ask Britain the same question (i.e. why Israeli citizen's British passports were falsified?). Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wat0n View Post
    Maybe Israel did do this (in fact it's the most probable thing, Mossad has used passports belonging to Israeli citizens before), but Israel could also ask Britain the same question (i.e. why Israeli citizen's British passports were falsified?). Just saying.
    If Mossad did do this, next time they should pick the names of known British anti-Semites like Lauren Booth, George Galloway, and Ken Livingstone. You might make it more difficult for them to get a visa to visit their terrorist pals.
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    Ok, so maybe it was Mossad, but we won't know for a decade at least for sure. Would Mossad use so many passports of Israeli dual citizens or wouldn't the Mossad realize how obvious and stupid that would be? Did someone set it up to look like the Mossad? Who knows and who cares? A terrorist mastermind was killed, no different from the one who was killed last week by US and/or British forces in Afghanistan. So why are Brits making such a big deal about it? A French passport was also used yet you don't see France making a big deal.

    Since the intifadah Britain has become the most anti-Israel country in Europe. They never reversed course as in France. So of course they are going to make a big deal over this incident, as they do over any insignificant Israeli incident. Never mind that tens of thousands of their men are fighting terrorists on foreign soil in Iraq and Afghanistan. They will show Israel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yala View Post
    Ok, so maybe it was Mossad, but we won't know for a decade at least for sure. Would Mossad use so many passports of Israeli dual citizens or wouldn't the Mossad realize how obvious and stupid that would be?

    Yes they will use and they have done it previously also. Most of the foreign Mossad agents are also Big Businessmen...
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    Guilty regardless of proven innocent or not. The UK and Israel are on divergent paths. They should close out their affairs and break relations. Frankly, it's only a matter of months until some titled twit in Lords stands up and demands the expulsion of all Jews from Britain and the response, the official response, will be "Well let's have a thorough and reasoned debate about that, shall we?"

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    See also:

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/28...d-dubai-murder

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8521246.stm

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7031541.ece

    But in the meantime.........

    http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a...o-materialise/

    and of course the usual twitery from The Times

    http://www.memeorandum.com/100217/p139#a100217p139

    and The Mail

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...d-killers.html

    The Guardian (guardian of what?)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ish-identities

    The Mail, again

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ler-novel.html

    and their American cousins, WaPo

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn..._world/mideast

    The crazy smelly aunt no one talks about

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1150754.html

    commentary on the silliness of all of this

    http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2...y-hope-so.html

    what if it were Helmuth Wilburg?

    http://www.jstreetjive.com/2010/02/m...g-demises.html

    But let's examine all of this

    Israel is the only suspect?

    http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideast...es/001090.html

    http://www.yourish.com/2010/02/17/10165

    but the PA says it knows they're Palestinians and won't say?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...849818,00.html

    Even The Guardian is confused - a Palestinian arrested in Syria? (Do Jews run Syria too?)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-mossad-murder

    Oh wait, it was Egypt. Those pesky Jews, they run Egypt as well

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/201...terrorist.html

    Oops! I guess they shouldn't have freed him first

    http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives...Terrorist.html

    Pish posh! A conspiracy has NO evidence, not more.

    http://backspin.typepad.com/backspin...out-proof.html

    But of course. Make it look like a badly done job. No one will suspect the Uber Jews then!

    http://www.hurryupharry.org/2010/02/18/whodunnit/

    Wait a minute - Hamas is killing Hamas? Have they been turned by the evil Je....I mean Zionists?

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    Re: Israel-Britain Relations "in deep freeze"

    I think it was the PLO that ordered the hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bararallu View Post
    I think it was the PLO that ordered the hit.
    Exactly right, under orders from Mossad. And they were ordered to use these Israeli citizens names to make it look like Israel was set up!

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    It's obvious that whoever did this wanted to get attention. The hit team members appearing on the security cameras wanted to be seen. This is to send a message to any other wanted terrorists living abroad that the person standing next to you can very well be an agent who would kill you. I don't think the PLO has any direct involvement in this. They don't have the resources to pull this off. They may have played an indirect part in it but I don't believe it was their operation.

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    Re: Israel-Britain Relations "in deep freeze"

    is mossad so stupid to expose 10-11 agents for killing a haji?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellis View Post
    is mossad so stupid to expose 10-11 agents for killing a haji?
    More interestingly, if this was done by Mossad then why send so many agents (Dubai police is now claiming there were 17 persons involved) to kill this guy? When Israel tried to kill Meshaal in 1997 Mossad sent 2 agents I think. What else were they doing?

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    This is definitly a job for inspector Clouseau and his international team of detectives

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    So much commotion over one dead Hamas dude.
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