Petition against French anti-Semitism

aid · 01-25-2002, 03:50 PM

Please sign a petition against the growth of French anti-Semitism:

https://www.wiesenthal.com/social/pr...1.cfm?petid=16

**NewsGuy** · 01-26-2002, 05:45 PM

aid,

Thanks for posting this link.

I hope that this forum's nearly 5000 visitors (and growing rapidly) will take the opportunity to voice their message by signing the petition.

aid · 01-26-2002, 05:57 PM

Moderators:

Can this petition be made a separate topic?

**NewsGuy** · 01-26-2002, 06:22 PM

aid,

It is a separate topic already, as its own thread. But it would not be its own section, like "Israeli-Arab Conflict" or "In the News" because those are designed to eventually have hundreds of threads within them.

However, to give it more exposure, I will also copy it to the "Resources" section, which should be a good place for it.

If we start getting many petitions, then I would consider having a "Petitions" section.

Hope that helps.

Vic · 05-02-2002, 03:30 PM

Here is an even better french petition:

http://www.lapetition.org/index.php

Erich · 06-11-2002, 07:00 AM

Could someone clarify if we are talking about French Anti-semitism directed towards the 22 million Jewish Semites or the 270 million Arab, Maltese and Ethiopian Semites?

Thanks,

Erich

elke · 06-12-2002, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by Erich
Could someone clarify if we are talking about French Anti-semitism directed towards the 22 million Jewish Semites or the 270 million Arab, Maltese and Ethiopian Semites?

Thanks,

Erich

A good dictionary should be able to give you an answer

Erich · 06-12-2002, 10:50 AM

Elke,

I've been to the "good" dictionaries, some indicate hate against semites, some go with the popular, but grossly inaccurate use of the word to indicate just some of the semites. I guess it depends on which dictionary you use and your own personal stand on inaccurate uses of the language.
Some "good" dictionaries also publish popular definitions of words like "irregardless", but would you accept that non word into your vocabulary? Only if you wanted to broadcast your ignorance to the world.
Anti-Jewish and Anti-Zionist are much more specific and technically accurate use of the language, it's just sad that we couldn't banish those terms and the idiocy behind them along with them. The world would better off without many of the "Anti's"

elke · 06-13-2002, 05:05 PM

Having trouble with double negatives, are we Erich?

You are right: "anti-Jewish" would be a better term. "Anti-Zionist" is something else - the Naturei Karta are anti-Zionist, but they are not anti-Jewish. However, the commonly understood meaning of the term "anti-semitic" is "anti-Jewish".

I agree with you though: the world would indeed be a much better place if there were less "antis".

James · 07-02-2002, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by aid
Please sign a petition against the growth of French anti-Semitism:

https://www.wiesenthal.com/social/pr...1.cfm?petid=16

I submitted my information and agree with petition!

yehudi · 03-16-2003, 11:07 AM

Present french anti-semitism is a legend made up by extreme- right zionists.

There is very very little anti-semitism in France.
As a matter of fact, French- anti arabism is infinitely stronger and getting rid of it is a priority.

I'm not saying antisemitism is dead in Europe, for example it is still a (sad) reality in Poland

Poland is the biggest US-following country in Europe.

Miriam · 03-16-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by yehudi

There is very very little anti-semitism in France.
As a matter of fact, French- anti arabism is infinitely stronger and getting rid of it is a priority.

Know of any reliable statistics (polls, violent incidents, etc.) on the subject? Thx in advance

Am Yisrael · 03-16-2003, 12:17 PM

BS there is hardly any anti-semitism in France. Last week a Jewish French student was beaten and had a star of david cut onto her arm by the attackers. Its one of those sad issues that most people are ignoring because it doesnt effect THEM yet. I know for sure one of the main causes of the popular rise of aliyah from France is due to growing anti-semitism. Here in Britain it seems that people are becoming less tolerant with Jews aswell. There isnt much people can do to tackle it except facing anti-semitism head on. Just remember that most anti-semites usually have small intelectual capacity and they are easy to "subdue". Its the people that continually create anti-semitic fabrication that should be dealt with more concerned action.

yehudi · 03-16-2003, 12:27 PM

I beg to differ.

You'll find many anecdotes like this, but racist crimes against arabs are much much more common. Actually jews are so well organized that as soon as there is an incident, the whole world is alerted. For example, the "rabbi who was stabbed" thing triggered a big demonstration and plenty of speeches by the politics and intellectuals (we are pretty good at making speeches in France, i guess you noticed).
As far as I know, from the shape of the wound, the police actually deduced that the rabbi "stabbed himself". But there was simply no one to comment on this... and I have no more follow-up on this.

Just try finding a job in France when you are arab.... you'll probably notice quite a difference with being a jew.

Am Yisrael · 03-16-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by yehudi
[B]I beg to differ.

You'll find many anecdotes like this, but racist crimes against arabs are much much more common. Actually jews are so well organized that as soon as there is an incident, the whole world is alerted. For example, the "rabbi who was stabbed" thing triggered a big demonstration and plenty of speeches by the politics and intellectuals (we are pretty good at making speeches in France, i guess you noticed).

Oh yeah? and how often do you see a Mullah get stabbed? Well I know the statistics of anti-semitism is HIGH. In fact if you compare the amount of Jews in France to the anti-semititic attacks, it will be MUCH higher than comparing Anti-Muslim attacks proportionaly.

Just try finding a job in France when you are arab.... you'll probably notice the difference with being a jew.

Why are you an Arab? Or are you just presuming this is the case. Well actually (this starts a whole new topic) most Arabs in France are immigrants, and if you look at ANY immigrant population you will see a high unemployement among them. Jews in France are usually ones who have lived there for a few generations. The proportion of immigration by Jews to France is nothing compared to Arab immigration. Oh yeah and there is higher education and motivation among Jewish populations in Western countries compared to Arab or Muslim populations.