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    From PMW - more evidence they were planning violence

    http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=48245

    http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=2339

    A day before the confrontation with Israel a university lecturer revealed on Hamas TV that the Gaza flotilla's commander had announced that the participants were planning to use "resistance," the Palestinian euphemism for violence, against "the Zionists." He added that the participants sought to die as Martyrs, even more than they wanted to reach Gaza.

    The following are the words of Dr. Abd Al-Fatah Shayyeq Naaman, lecturer in Shari'ah law at a university in Yemen, now visiting Gaza:

    "The [Gaza] flotilla commander said yesterday: 'We will not allow the Zionists to get near us and we will use resistance against them.'
    How will they wage resistance? They will resist with their fingernails. They are people who seek Martyrdom for Allah, as much as they want to reach Gaza, but the first [Martyrdom] is more desirable."

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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

    Madeline

    Thanks for your words of support. I know that there are many other decent hard working down to earth people like you out there who support Israel and exactly because they are the way they are, their support is quieter and not as noisy as those hot headed haters who are against Israel.

    If it wouldn't be for the knowledge that there are millions of people like you out there who support us, people like me would be much more bitter and twisted because of the hypocrisy of the noisier chattering class whose life mission seems to be to denigrate us.

    Thanks for speaking out and reminding us that you are out there too.
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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates View Post
    Turkey is calling this 'their 911'. Israel needs to break all relations with Turkey, cancel all projects in the pipeline ASAP. The faction supporting Israel in Turkey is the military, let them deal with the Islamists. Let them find spare parts for their UAVs. Kick the Turkish ambassador out of Israel NOW then give all Turkish tourists in Israel 3 days to get out of the country. Boycott all Turkish goods in Israel.

    Turkey will turn around and tell all the TURKISH citizens who are Jews, to leave the country. And they should, they should emigrate.
    Wonderful, the blood of ten abettors of terrorists (at best, outright lynchers at worst) is redder than the blood of thousands of common, decent, people who were doing nothing more than going to work.

    At this point, Turkey is as nuts as Iran
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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

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    Madeline

    Thanks for your words of support. I know that there are many other decent hard working down to earth people like you out there who support Israel and exactly because they are the way they are, their support is quieter and not as noisy as those hot headed haters who are against Israel.

    If it wouldn't be for the knowledge that there are millions of people like you out there who support us, people like me would be much more bitter and twisted because of the hypocrisy of the noisier chattering class whose life mission seems to be to denigrate us.

    Thanks for speaking out and reminding us that you are out there too.
    Madeline, seconded
    "Study astronomy and physics if you desire to comprehend the relation between the world and G-d's management of it." - RaMBaM (Maimonides), Guide For The Perplexed

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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

    A very interesting and good British anti naval piracy video:

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=89353134001

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    Links for backstory

    MFA statement on humanitarian aid to Gaza:
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+...y&auid=6422732

    Leslie Gelb:
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...y&auid=6424668

    UN condemnations:
    http://www.yourish.com/2010/06/01/11021

    "Arab Media Reports on Flotilla Participants: Writing Wills, Preparing for Martyrdom, Determined to Reach Gaza or Die", MEMRI
    http://www.eyeontheun.org/articles-i...a=6548&id=8325

    Turkey flexing its muscles:
    http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/127436.html

    Deterioration of Turkish relations:
    http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/127375.html

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    Obama throws Israel to the wolves again:
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...andons-israel/

    In the past twenty-four hours United Nations bodies have engaged in a frenzied attack on Israel over the Turkish-facilitated effort to end the naval blockade of Hamas-controlled Gaza. In the process, the Obama administration’s Israel policy has been outed.

    With virtually unprecedented speed and only hours to go before the Lebanese presidency of the UN Security Council expired at midnight on May 31st the Council unanimously agreed on a Presidential Statement – with American approval. And in Geneva, the UN Human Rights Council (HRC) unanimously decided to invent new procedural rules and hold its first-ever “urgent debate”, with no objection from the United States.

    The Obama administration had options. In the past, the United States has avoided efforts to railroad presidential statements or resolutions through the Security Council by allowing only so-called “press statements” made on behalf of just some of its members.

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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

    Quote Originally Posted by Reffo View Post
    Madeline

    Thanks for your words of support. I know that there are many other decent hard working down to earth people like you out there who support Israel and exactly because they are the way they are, their support is quieter and not as noisy as those hot headed haters who are against Israel.

    If it wouldn't be for the knowledge that there are millions of people like you out there who support us, people like me would be much more bitter and twisted because of the hypocrisy of the noisier chattering class whose life mission seems to be to denigrate us.

    Thanks for speaking out and reminding us that you are out there too.
    No thanks needed, and rest assured, there are many more out there.
    As with everything, we hear the ones screeching the loudest, but that doesn't mean they have anything worthwhile to say.
    Its when the mob meets the brains, so to speak.

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    Come on guys its not only turkish ship, passengers of "Eleftheri Mesogeios" say that the other ship, "Sfendoni" received fire from Israelis,it was also mentioned in the news of Greek NET TV:

    http://news.in.gr/greece/article/?aid=1231046878

    and if im not wrong greek government also cancelled the common greek-israeli military exercises due to what happened. so accept your mistake FOR ONCE. IHH is a bunch of bastards and it's accepted by most of the people in turkey. however opening fire and killing turkish civilians be it islamist or extreme leftist was WRONG and a stupid act.especially in international waters. people are angry of course what were you expecting?

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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

    Greek activist details Israeli raid, detention

    First Published 2010-06-01

    Activist: Israelis used bullets, gas, electroshock followed by 'wretched detention conditions'.

    ATHENS- A Greek activist told Tuesday of the moment Israeli troops stormed the ill-fated Gaza-bound aid flotilla, using rubber bullets, tear gas and electroshock weapons to subdue those aboard.

    "Israeli troops jumped onto the boat around 0530 on Monday," Michalis Grigoropoulos said of the pre-dawn raid by Israeli forces in international waters that killed nine activists and sparked global outrage.

    Grigoropoulos was aboard the Eleftheri Mesogeio, smaller than the lead boat, the Mavi Marmara, which Israeli troops had attacked earlier.

    "They fired rubber coated bullets, tear gas and then used electroshock weapons on some activists," he told Skai television shortly after Israel deported him and five compatriots to Athens.

    "An hour beforehand, at 0430 local time, we heard gunfire on the Turkish boat Mavi Marmara, the Israelis jumped from helicopters onto the boat," he said.

    Israel is still holding hundreds of the 686 passengers they seized and took back to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where Grigoropoulos said he was kept incommunicado, denied access to a lawyer and made to sign papers he did not understand.

    Grigoropoulos criticised "the wretched detention conditions at Ashdod (where) 500 people were packed in together" saying that "two Greek activists were beaten up" there by Israeli police.

    "They made me sign papers on my expulsion, without me knowing what was on the papers because I did not have the right to a translator, a lawyer or to communicate with my family," he said.

    The Eleftheri Mesogeio's captain, Zaharias Stilianakis, who was among those returned to Athens, said that "after their assault on the boat, the commandos cut all means of communication."

    Another crew member, Aris Papadokostopoulos said that two of the detained Greeks "were beaten because they refused to give their digital fingerprints."

    After storming the boat, the troops then "cut all forms of communication," Papadokostopoulos added.

    Around 30 pro-Palestinian Greek activists from the flotilla are still being held in Israel.

    Activists who have refused to identify themselves have been taken to an Israeli prison.

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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

    Quote Originally Posted by ToYgUn View Post
    Greek activist details Israeli raid, detention

    First Published 2010-06-01

    Activist: Israelis used bullets, gas, electroshock followed by 'wretched detention conditions'.

    ATHENS- A Greek activist told Tuesday of the moment Israeli troops stormed the ill-fated Gaza-bound aid flotilla, using rubber bullets, tear gas and electroshock weapons to subdue those aboard.

    "Israeli troops jumped onto the boat around 0530 on Monday," Michalis Grigoropoulos said of the pre-dawn raid by Israeli forces in international waters that killed nine activists and sparked global outrage.

    Grigoropoulos was aboard the Eleftheri Mesogeio, smaller than the lead boat, the Mavi Marmara, which Israeli troops had attacked earlier.

    "They fired rubber coated bullets, tear gas and then used electroshock weapons on some activists," he told Skai television shortly after Israel deported him and five compatriots to Athens.

    "An hour beforehand, at 0430 local time, we heard gunfire on the Turkish boat Mavi Marmara, the Israelis jumped from helicopters onto the boat," he said.

    Israel is still holding hundreds of the 686 passengers they seized and took back to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where Grigoropoulos said he was kept incommunicado, denied access to a lawyer and made to sign papers he did not understand.

    Grigoropoulos criticised "the wretched detention conditions at Ashdod (where) 500 people were packed in together" saying that "two Greek activists were beaten up" there by Israeli police.

    "They made me sign papers on my expulsion, without me knowing what was on the papers because I did not have the right to a translator, a lawyer or to communicate with my family," he said.

    The Eleftheri Mesogeio's captain, Zaharias Stilianakis, who was among those returned to Athens, said that "after their assault on the boat, the commandos cut all means of communication."

    Another crew member, Aris Papadokostopoulos said that two of the detained Greeks "were beaten because they refused to give their digital fingerprints."

    After storming the boat, the troops then "cut all forms of communication," Papadokostopoulos added.

    Around 30 pro-Palestinian Greek activists from the flotilla are still being held in Israel.

    Activists who have refused to identify themselves have been taken to an Israeli prison.

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    "A Greek Activist", really? An unbiased source, really?

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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "A Greek Activist", really? An unbiased source, really?

    yeah middle-east online may be not an unbiased source but for gods sake you can see this news in all greek media,here is the one i posted above:

    http://news.in.gr/greece/article/?aid=1231046878

    (you can use google translator)

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    Re: Another Gaza Flotilla is arriving

    But too bad for them it's all on video tape. So let the Greek terrorists scream the heavens.

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