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    The Netanyahu Factor

    When the Labour party bolted from Israel's ruling coalition, a new political era promised to unfold, with opportunity for a fresh, new direction to move the country forward on the road to peace and prosperity. With Ariel Sharon at the helm, Shaul Mofaz in the role of Defense Minister, and former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the post of Foreign Minister, there was for a brief while, the welcome possibility of Israel being led by an "all-star Dream Team" of the political Right. But, in the Middle East it is difficult sometimes to bet even on a sure thing, much less hang hopes on the mercurial machinations of Israeli politics.

    Ariel Sharon, Shaul Mofaz and Benjamin Netanyahu are, to a great extent, unified in their basic political outlook. They hail from a long and distinguished line of steadfast Zionist role models like Ze'ev Jabotinsky, Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir and the like.

    As a result of repeated attempts by the Arab world to destroy Israel, they have all learned firsthand that the prerequisite for peace in the Middle East must be based on uncompromising and irrevocable security guarantees. In this regard, they concur that only a de-fanged and de-clawed Palestinian entity can be allowed to exist alongside Israel.

    Like Rabin?

    Yet, at the same time, the three leaders have come to understand that to navigate the State of Israel through the treacherous waters of international pressures, they must take a pragmatic approach. Despite rhetoric to the contrary, their positions now greatly reflect those of Labour's standard bearer, the late Yitzhak Rabin.

    Rabin, now praised by rulers of the Arab world like Hosni Mubarak, King Hussein Junior, and leaders of the Western world, offered a realistic platform for peace with the Palestinians: First, there was to be no Palestinian State. Rather, Rabin agreed only to a Palestinian entity with the ambiguous status of "autonomy plus." Second, there was to be a complete end to Palestinian terrorism, and both parties were required to fulfill their obligations before forging ahead with further Israeli concessions.

    Surprisingly, much of Rabin's views are now adopted by Likud leaders like Sharon and Netanyahu, while the Labour party's current Leftist positions would have been utterly rejected by Rabin. In fact, it could be argued that Sharon's position has moved even more to the Left than that of Rabin, as Sharon publicly stated that that he would support the establishment of a Palestinian State -- unlike Rabin's refusal to do so.

    Team Troubles

    Nonetheless, there are complications arising with the formation of Israel's Dream Team. Benjamin Netanyahu, although hard at work to return to the leadership limelight, is less than eager to play second fiddle to Ariel Sharon. On the contrary, Netanyahu is poised to run for the position of Prime Minister as a replacement for Sharon. But Netanyahu's bid for reelection is a risky one.

    Despite Netanyahu's polished style and considerable charisma, his Achilles' Heel is his lack of ability to hold on to a fractious cabinet. Bibi finds it extremely difficult to cater to the multitude of special interest groups, whose selfish and petty agendas often conflict with Netanyahu's vision, as well as being constantly at odds with each other.

    Netanyahu also has a disadvantage of wanting to micromanage Israel's policies. Although he is Israel's best technical spokesperson, he often forgets that he is the leader of a team comprised of accomplished professionals, who must be given the authority to act on their own according to agreed guidelines. Instead, Bibi alienated several of his cabinet members by attempting to marginalize them and take over their "big picture" duties, while expecting them to carry out the behind-the-scenes low-level work. Naturally, Netanyahu's government was brought down in short order by the equivalent of a ministerial mutiny.

    But Netanyahu is a particularly intelligent man. He has taken the lessons of his past to heart and has vowed to act differently in the future. Will Netanyahu do as he says, and change his strategy? His political opponents believe they are still dealing with the "old" Bibi and his host of leadership flaws. However, the ongoing wrangling over his acceptance of Sharon's offer of the position of Defense Minister may yield some clues.

    Nothing New Under the Sun

    Netanyahu has learned that a narrow majority in Knesset will expose the ruling party to endless blackmail from its smaller coalition partners. Already, parties like Shas and Moledet have presented exhaustive lists of unwelcome – and unrealistic -- demands in exchange for their cooperation. And there is every reason to believe that their demands will only escalate if Likud needed to rely on them for political survival.

    Although Netanyahu may have learned his lessons well and may now be a changed man, the system of Israeli politics has not changed at all since his first tenure. The same self-centered fringe groups are still circling the skies like vultures waiting to feed on the weakness of a narrow majority government. And it is precisely this trap that the seasoned Netanyahu seeks to avoid by calling for early elections at a time when Likud is at an all-time peek in its popularity. The more Knesset seats Likud wins in a general election, the fewer concessions will need to be made to Israel's political extortionist parties.
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    This is why the all-star political Dream Team of Sharon, Netanyahu and Mofaz, while seemingly a natural fit, bears its share of complications. And, until there is substantial reform of the parliamentary system, to implement a system that guarantees stability for at least a full-term in office, Israel's leadership will never be able to reach its potential. It will never be able to provide the level of civil service which the Israeli taxpayer, rightfully, deserves.

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    NewsGuy,

    You know much more about Israel's internal politics than I do, but I think the situation is not so bleak.

    Netanyahu is not only Israel's best choice to lead the fight against terrorism, he is the world's best choice to lead the fight against terrorism. No leader has focused on this problem for as long as Netanyahu. No leader has looked at the ideology and infrastructure behind terrorism in as honest and straightforward a manner.

    Israel's democracy may be flawed as you suggest -- Netanyahu certainly agrees with you. But at this juncture in history what Israel needs is a bold and courageous leader capable of leading Israel to victory over Islamist and Arab terrorists rather than fine-tuning the budget or improving the education system.

    Confronted with an existential threat, I don't see how Israel's many small parties can afford to subvert Netanyahu. Clearly, Labor has acted to subvert national unity at a dangerous moment, but will this help them gain in a general election? I think not.

    I think Sharon is an excellent leader, but I have long feared he is compromised by the slanderous accusations of Palestinians and Israel's left. I believe Sharon has acted with restraint partly in an effort to shake off baseless charges that he is an extremist and (more preposterously) a "war criminal." To Palestinian terrorists, 15-year old Israeli girls might as well be called "war criminals"; the evil terrorists have likewise proclaimed the death sentence for them.

    Netanyahu understands that terrorism can only be stopped by defeating the states that harbor, support, and glorify it. Netanyahu has repeatedly said Arafat must go, and if Netanyahu becomes PM I don't see how he can not act in the way he has advised Barak and Sharon.

    Perhaps you can tell us to what extent the PM is impowered to unilaterally make crucial military and security decisions. My impression is that Sharon voluntarily submitted to the majority of his cabinet. Cabinets in other countries generally play an advisory role.

    I would love to see Netanyahu's economic policies implemented. But what Israel needs most right now is a leader who can lead to victory. All other considerations are secondary. It wouldn't be so bad if Netanyahu came just in time to steer the ship of state to safety -- and departed once that crucial task was completed.

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    ibrodsky, I agree with you on most all your points.

    Netanyahu has a clear vision, because he is guided by the principles of Zionism and preservation of the Jewish people.

    Confronted with an existential threat, I don't see how Israel's many small parties can afford to subvert Netanyahu.
    That's the amazing thing about Israel's political parties: They will consistently cut off their nose to spite their face.

    Their pettiness and infighting is overwhelming. I've read some Israeli analysts describe the country as one which "eats its politicians alive."

    Of course Israel now needs a stable government and unity in the face of terrorism and economic hardship, but this will not stop the smaller parties from demanding a pound of flesh from the PM. I've read reports in the past week that say Shas has demanded a $.5 Billion shekel package to guarantee their cooperation, while Moledet and the Russian parties demanded equally impossible concessions.

    To the credit of the Russian parties, though, they understand the big picture and have never acted to actually bring down the government. Still, as for cooperation in joining the government, that's another story.

    Israel's smaller parties have historically acted to hand a victory by default to an extreme Leftist coalition led by Meretz, Labour and the Arab parties rather than to compromise on most anything.

    And what are these demands set by the smaller parties that might be partners in the Sharon government?

    1. Moledet wants no limits whatsoever on settlements, even those few caravans that would require an entire IDF battalion to surround the settlement 24 hours a day in order to secure it. They demand the ouster of Arafat and the dismantling of the Palestinian Authority, bringing back a permanent IDF presence in the Palestinian areas, including civil administration.

    2. The Russian parties want billions for housing and a host of social benefits for immigrants.

    3. The religious parties want to permanently exempt their children from military service, and they want billions in welfare payments for large families.

    4. Shas wants billions for funding its own religious schools and social programs, as well as for creating cushy job for its unemployed party members.


    True, some of these are fine requests in times of economic prosperity, but these days, there simply is nowhere to raise the money from. Already, taxation of the wealthy is at an all-time high and the country is in the midst of a major recession.

    Rather than waiting it out till the economy improves, the parties are, as usual, expecting the PM to go to America to beg to sink even further into foreign debt.

    For this, the smaller parties are willing to let the government go down the tubes. It's really amazing...


    As for Netanyahu, time will tell if Israelis think that he has changed sufficiently to be able to manage a coalition better than he did the first time around. There's no question about his positions or wisdom, just about his ability to manage the self-interest groups. I hope that the answer will be 'yes,' but honestly I am skeptical about it.

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    I think Netanyahu seems like a likeable sort of fellow and a good orator. When he was PM from 1996 to 1999 he had somewhere around three years to send Arafat packing but he didn?t.

    I don?t dislike the man and I certainly think he has more political smarts than Sharon but I don?t think he?s the one that will end the terrorist attacks in Israel.

    Having said that the best part about this election is that there?s a chance that Peres will be whittled down to size. At times I have felt that Peres has been a liability to any action that Sharon might have taken.

    The various contenders should spell out precisely what mandate they intend to follow if elected and be forced to stick to them.

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    Originally posted by L@mplighterM
    The various contenders should spell out precisely what mandate they intend to follow if elected and be forced to stick to them.
    Amen to that...

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    Nataniahu is nothing to look forward to either.Despite his promises, in 1998 he signed the Wye River accords which gave Arabs, I think, 40 % more territory.Sharon is a joke, there i said it.He agrees to the US' roadmap towards a Palestinian state,he agrees to transfer 500 million dollars to the PA,he doesnt take decisive measures against terrorism,meaning he leaves Arafat in Ramalla and Hamas alive and well in Gaza..So far its 646 and counting. Israel is in deeeeep Sheeeet.

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    Originally posted by alexbmn
    Nataniahu is nothing to look forward to either. Despite his promises, in 1998 he signed the Wye River accords which gave Arabs, I think, 40 % more territory.
    It was only 13%, and he had that mutuality principle which said:
    "If they give, they will get. If they don't give, they won't get" (Sounds a lot better in Hebrew).
    Anyway, the point was that if the PLO doesn't do its part of the agreements, Israel won't give away the territories.
    And indeed, because of the terror, only 2% were given were given away during Netanyahu's time.


    Originally posted by alexbmn
    Sharon is a joke, there i said it. He agrees to the US' roadmap towards a Palestinian state,he agrees to transfer 500 million dollars to the PA,he doesnt take decisive measures against terrorism, meaning he leaves Arafat in Ramalla and Hamas alive and well in Gaza..So far its 646 and counting. Israel is in deeeeep Sheeeet.
    Sooo right! That's why it so important to support Netanyahu in the internal elections of the Likud, in three weeks.

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    Originally posted by ibrodsky
    But what Israel needs most right now is a leader who can lead to victory. All other considerations are secondary. It wouldn't be so bad if Netanyahu came just in time to steer the ship of state to safety -- and departed once that crucial task was completed.
    Frankly, I doubt any of the current politicians can "lead to victory", simply since the situatuation is too complex to have a simple "vicroty".

    More then that: I doubt any of the politicians will behave in drasticly diffrent matter when it comes to the PA.

    At the moment, the problems we find here the most pressing (and the most neglected) are the economic and social problems. For years, they have been pushed aside "until the security situation improves"- and now they are starting to explode.

    Since I dubt any real progress will be achived in the near future with the PA, IMO we should focus these elections on the social economic issues. Otherwise, we are very liable to end up with both the domestic and the security fronts stuck.

    Saying that, I still have no idea to who I am going to vote for :-(

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    ibrodsky
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    Originally posted by shoshannah


    At the moment, the problems we find here the most pressing (and the most neglected) are the economic and social problems. For years, they have been pushed aside "until the security situation improves"- and now they are starting to explode.

    But those problems have greatly intensified due to the infantifada which has, for example, virtually destroyed Israel's tourism industry.

    I disagree with everyone (except elik) re: Netanyahu. He has written at least two books on terrorism. He has been speaking all over the US, testifying before Congress, etc. on the topic. He has a clear understanding of how Islamists think and operate and what to do about it.

    I think when he was PM the first time it was a very different situation. And we must not forget that the Clinton administration targeted him for removal -- for being what they considered an obstacle to peace -- in an unprecedented effort at meddling in another country's elections.

    Unlike Sharon, who has been slandered and does not speak English very well, no one in the West has managed to so thoroughly discredit Netanyahu. He not only speaks excellent English, he understands American audiences.

    And unlike Sharon I think it would be much harder for the US and Europe to criticize his military responses. I think he is much more capable than Sharon of putting people to shame who say Israel must either appease terrorists or limit itself to purely defensive measures.

    I also don't agree this is a situation that transcends good leadership. Every historical moment is ripe for a good leader -- particularly when there is conflict.

    The civilized world needs a leader who isn't afraid to say we must go after the leaders who support and encourage terrorism. The civilized world needs a leader who is not afraid to say exactly who the enemy is. And we need someone who can really drive the points home to people all over the West (e.g., "Arafatistan," terrorists are not suspended in mid air," and "unlike the Soviet Union, which pursued an irrational goal rationally, Islamic terrorists pursue an irrational goal irrationally).

    I think Netanyahu would respond to major terrorist attacks in a more dramatic and forceful, and therefore deterrent, manner.

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    Originally posted by ibrodsky
    But those problems have greatly intensified due to the infantifada which has, for example, virtually destroyed Israel's tourism industry.

    I disagree with everyone re: Netanyahu. He has written at least two books on terrorism. He has been speaking all over the US, testifying before Congress, etc. on the topic. He has a clear understanding of how Islamists think and operate and what to do about it.

    I think when he was PM the first time it was a very different situation. And we must not forget that the Clinton administration targeted him for removal -- for being what they considered an obstacle to peace -- in an unprecedented effort at meddling in another country's elections.

    Unlike Sharon, who has been slandered and does not speak English very well, no one in the West has managed to so thoroughly discredit Netanyahu. He not only speaks excellent English, he understands American audiences.

    And unlike Sharon I think it would be much harder for the US and Europe to criticize his military responses. I think he is much more capable than Sharon of putting people to shame who say Israel must either appease terrorists or limit itself to purely defensive measures.

    I also don't agree this is a situation that transcends good leadership. Every historical moment is ripe for a good leader -- particularly when there is conflict.

    The civilized world needs a leader who isn't afraid to say we must go after the leaders who support and encourage terrorism. The civilized world needs a leader who is not afraid to say exactly who the enemy is. And we need someone who can really drive the points home to people all over the West (e.g., "Arafatistan," terrorists are not suspended in mid air," and "unlike the Soviet Union, which pursued an irrational goal rationally, Islamic terrorists pursue an irrational goal irrationally).

    I think Netanyahu would respond to major terrorist attacks in a more dramatic and forceful, and therefore deterrent, manner.
    Another great Netanyahu quote goes something like this:

    "The only difference between Arafat and Osama Bin Laden, is that Arafat has great PR and we know where he is."

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    ibrodsky
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    Originally posted by elik
    It was only 13%, and he had that mutuality principle which said:
    "If they give, they will get. If they don't give, they won't get" (Sounds a lot better in Hebrew).
    Anyway, the point was that if the PLO doesn't do its part of the agreements, Israel won't give away the territories.
    And indeed, because of the terror, only 2% were given were given away during Netanyahu's time.

    Sooo right! That's why it so important to support Netanyahu in the internal elections of the Likud, in three weeks.
    Elik, welcome to IsraelForum.

    I think you are absolutely right about Netanyahu.

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    Originally posted by minusthejihad
    Another great Netanyahu quote goes something like this:

    "The only difference between Arafat and Osama Bin Laden, is that Arafat has great PR and we know where he is."
    Yes, I think you are combining two of Netanyahu's comments about Arafat.

    "The only difference between Arafat and bin Laden is we know where Arafat is."

    "Arafat is Osama bin Laden with good PR."

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    Jerusalem Post:

    Netanyahu on Tuesday reiterated his view that Arafat should be expelled. He also gave an official voice to recent Israeli media speculation that such a time could come during a US strike against Iraq.

    "I think the most appropriate time (to exile Arafat) will be when Saddam Hussein is thrown out," Netanyahu told Israeli television. "I think that will be possible."

    The comments came before Netanyahu was sworn in as foreign minister.

    Responding to Netanyahu, Arafat said Wednesday: "No one can deport me from my homeland ... They have to remember that they are dealing with Yasser Arafat."

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    alexbmn
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    yes the self titled "General Arafat".

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    Originally posted by ibrodsky
    Yes, I think you are combining two of Netanyahu's comments about Arafat.

    "The only difference between Arafat and bin Laden is we know where Arafat is."

    "Arafat is Osama bin Laden with good PR."
    Yep. Exactly.

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