Egypt Plays Host to Hamas & Fatah Terrorists

[ibrodsky]

Ostensibly at peace with Israel and an ally of the U.S., Egypt has offered to host a meeting between Fatah and Hamas. Its claimed that Fatah wants Hamas to limit its mass murder attacks to the IDF and Jews living in Judea and Samaria.

Egypt imagines that it presents itself as a positive and moderating force by hosting these terrorists. In reality, it exposes the fact that terrorism against defenseless civilians is so widely accepted in the Arab world that Egypt's leaders are not even aware that openly and knowingly hosting such a meeting is the same as giving terrorists safe harbor.

Hopefully, after Saddam is deposed the US will demand an end to Syria's illegal occupation of Lebanon and support for terrorists such as Hizbollah.

For now, no action is required against Egypt, as watching Iraq and Syria fall will cause desired changes in Cairo. For example, they will either stop broadcasting anti-semitic garbage or find themselves at odds with the world's only superpower.

[whereamigod]

At least Egypt is making an effort. More than could be said about the Israelis. I don't like government negotiating with terror either, but the world has seen that these groups are forces to be reckoned with. What is the worst that happens? Hamas and other groups say no? But if they somehow do change their policies of terrorism, then all the better. Maybe I'm living a pipedream, but its obvious that we've exhausted all other options (we see the results) maybe its time to go down the path less travelled. Peace.

[Mediocrates]

I'm sure you don't mean in this instance that Israel is somehow on the hook to be responsible for arranging a meeting between Fatah and Hamas. What makes you think they would agree?

[whereamigod]

Not what I said, what I said is that the Egyptians are making an effort. The Israeli's are not, I know, I know.they offered everything to the Palestinians, but they just threw it back in their face. Screaming that they want to expel Arafat and there will be no peace discussions does nothing but increase the cycle of violence.

[Mediocrates]

What are the possible outcomes of this Egyptian effort? Let's examine that for a moment in no particular order.

1 - Nothing, no outcome, hot air
2 - Strengthing of alliances between for better coordination
3 - Divide up Palestine into feifdoms
4 - Cross training Egyptians for terrorism or counterterrorism
5 - Damper the internal forces that want Mubareks head on a pole

Because you need a point to have a meeting like this beyond hearty hale fellows and good wishes all around.

[whereamigod]

You are absolutely right, this meeting was announced because they want everyone to know they support terrorism. Good job.

[Mediocrates]

You're probably one of those people who believes in conspiracies too. When it's usually pretty much what it looks like on it's face.

[whereamigod]

Egypt does not want negative press. Why? Because they need money. From who? Guess. If they wanted to meet in secret, trust me, they could have. Its not that difficult. Any person or group can set up secret meetings. The terrorist groups are not going to announce it, they have too much pathetic pride to admitt to discussing cease fires.

[Mediocrates]

Yet in practical terms one of the terms to be discussed was/is the distinction between shooting children inside the Green Line vs. outside. Literally. Aparently that distinction may have been tabled in favor of a weak promise to end suicide bombings for one year.

That basically is the trade-off today. One which makes I guess some grand gesture in Arab minds. That's your 'progress'.

[Tan]

Originally posted by whereamigod
Not what I said, what I said is that the Egyptians are making an effort. The Israeli's are not, I know, I know.they offered everything to the Palestinians, but they just threw it back in their face. Screaming that they want to expel Arafat and there will be no peace discussions does nothing but increase the cycle of violence.

So what u expect Israel to do? Negotiate with the likes of Yasser Arafat?

If that the case why dont u asked a third country to arrange a negotiation between Bush and Osama?

[reason]

Originally posted by Tan
So what u expect Israel to do? Negotiate with the likes of Yasser Arafat?

If that the case why dont u asked a third country to arrange a negotiation between Bush and Osama?

Egypt has every thing to gain from peace and everything to lose if the situation isnt resolved soon. For one Egypts economy is very dependant on tourism (alot of it from Isreal) , and the current situation is killing that industry. Second, Mubarak needs peace because the internal forces are putting pressure on him, with every day that passes under the current situation he loses support of the people (which was non existant anyway) due to a bad economy.

If you dont think Mubarak is sincere in his arbritration then you are mistaken.

[elke]

Originally posted by reason
Egypt has every thing to gain from peace and everything to lose if the situation isnt resolved soon. For one Egypts economy is very dependant on tourism (alot of it from Isreal) , and the current situation is killing that industry. Second, Mubarak needs peace because the internal forces are putting pressure on him, with every day that passes under the current situation he loses support of the people (which was non existant anyway) due to a bad economy.

If you dont think Mubarak is sincere in his arbritration then you are mistaken.

Not to be facetious, but...

How would you explain Mubarak's comment that if he had $100M he'd start a war with Israel? How would you explain the "Horseman Without a Horse" thing?

[whereamigod]

"So what u expect Israel to do? Negotiate with the likes of Yasser Arafat? If that the case why dont u asked a third country to arrange a negotiation
between Bush and Osama?"

Yes, I do expect them to negotiate with Arafat. Why? Lets look. Past couple of months/years, there has been no real negotiations. And what has happened? A never ending cycle of violence that has claimed the lives of nearly 2,000. Can any Israeli truly say they feel safe? Buses have become battle fields. Palestinian civilians (especially children)are being murdered killed like the act is going out of style. Has anything been gained. I hate to tell you, but guess who's winning? Palestinains have always been poor. But now the Israeli's are right behind them. Your people are not safe, your economy is nearing collapse, and most of your people do not support your tactics. So yeah, I say negotiate. What is the worst that could happen. 10 kids aren't murdered? If you think Osama and Arafat are the same, then there is no reason for me to reply. Go to your local library and please dear god read a book. Not just the stuff thats posted here by the newsguy and lamplighter. You need real info, not their pathetic nazi propagana.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by whereamigod


Yes, I do expect them to negotiate with Arafat. Why? Lets look. Past couple of months/years, there has been no real negotiations. And what has happened? A never ending cycle of violence that has claimed the lives of nearly 2,000.

Typical Arab propaganda. Yaser Arafat is the Father of Modern Terrorism. Ever since he was allowed to return to the territories he has worked night and day to build a terrorist infrastructure and terrorist society. Arafat is a mass murderer and should be placed in front of a firing squad.

Only by exploiting the fact that most people know little about history -- even recent history -- can people like you get away with suggesting it is worthwhile negotiating with a man who has never kept a single agreement.

Can any Israeli truly say they feel safe? Buses have become battle fields.

No, there are no battles taking place on buses. You are just trying to dignify the evil Arab terrorists who mass murder innocent people on buses, in cafes, and in their bedrooms.

Palestinian civilians (especially children)are being murdered killed like the act is going out of style. Has anything been gained. I hate to tell you, but guess who's winning?

Yes, the problem is that Islamists do not value life. They use their children as fodder.

Let's pretend Israel lies when she says that Palestinian militants shoot from behind crowds of rock throwing kids. Then explain why children are taught that suicide mass murderers are noble. Then explain why Arafat calls for more "martyrs." Then explain why Chechnyan Islamist terrorists declared "We are more keen on dying than you are keen on living."

No, what we are dealing with is the Islamist culture of Death and Destruction.

Palestinains have always been poor. But now the Israeli's are right behind them. Your people are not safe, your economy is nearing collapse, and most of your people do not support your tactics.

Thanks for the advice, Tokyo Rose. Not that you would know democracy if it fell on your head. We'll wait to see who is elected, and by what margin, in the next Israel election.

Here in the U.S., the electorate is turning to the right. They want tough leaders who understand there is nothing to negotiate with mass murderers.

So yeah, I say negotiate. What is the worst that could happen. 10 kids aren't murdered? If you think Osama and Arafat are the same, then there is no reason for me to reply. Go to your local library and please dear god read a book. Not just the stuff thats posted here by the newsguy and lamplighter. You need real info, not their pathetic nazi propagana.

More Arab propaganda.

Israel made the foolish mistake of negotiating with Arafat's corrupt, terrorist regime. But not to worry, we are crushing your beloved terrorists. Perhaps in time, after every house in Arafatistan has been destroyed, the Arab terrorists will pack their bags and go back to Arabia where they can kill each other just like they do in Lebanon.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by whereamigod
Go to your local library and please dear god read a book. Not just the stuff thats posted here by the newsguy and lamplighter. You need real info, not their pathetic nazi propagana.

*LOL* Thanks I needed a good laugh.

You wouldn’t know Nazi propaganda if it stared you in the face.