Very good Minusthejihad, rather than disagree with what I've said, you decide to take a blinkered approach and ignore it. Perhaps if Israel stopped pursuing such immoral policies then I would stop critizing it.
Home | Very good Minusthejihad, rather than disagree with what I've said, you decide to take a blinkered approach and ignore it. Perhaps if Israel stopped pursuing such immoral policies then I would stop critizing it.
I do not consider killing terrorists immoral. Besides, don't you have other bigger fish to fry, like some real villians who use immoral policies, like the Sudanese gov that still allows slavery? Wouldn't you say that that needs your humanitarian attention a bit more than kids who strap bombs on themselves and want to die. They always say "we love death more than you love life" so I think killing them is actually fulfilling their wishes and doing them a favor.Originally posted by jcsd
Very good Minusthejihad, rather than disagree with what I've said, you decide to take a blinkered approach and ignore it. Perhaps if Israel stopped pursuing such immoral policies then I would stop critizing it.
Hey, here's an idea:
GO after the Saudis for abusing women's rights. How about showing us the other targets you have except for Israel. Because if targetting Israel is all you do while preaching your humanitarian values, then it means you are completely biased and probably just hate Jews so you excuse all the "crimes against humanity" everywhere else. Hypocrite! Don't even post back to me unless you can show me proof that you don't only target Israel. Go ahead, show me a link to a post you've made on other boards.
Originally posted by jcsd
About the water supply issue: Lebanon would be breaking no international law if it decided to divert the entire Litani out of Israel, however it has not done this, it has diverted a small amount from this water source which consists entirely of run-off from Lebanon. Indeed a US brokered deal which Israel ratified but Lebanon refused to, allowed Lebanon to use 27 times the amonut the are currently pumping from that source.
Israel by threatening war because Lebanon decided to pump from a small amonut from a water source inside it's own territory is completely over the top and an aggressive action.
On the embargo issue, again no international law was broken. Embargoes are a perfectly legitmate foreign policy.
Yes they are. And Water is still a regional issue. Not because it's all nice and s--- but because its necessary. It serves no one to destroy your own resources to make some point. I wonder if the Lebanese are prone to burn their crops because the fertilizer may have been made with "Jewish" chemicals. I wish them well. I can't expect that if they ever need something from the Israelis they'll be met with anything approaching conciliation. And that's not a threat it's merely an observation on human nature. You say embargoes are legit. Yes they are. I wonder though how or if the Lebanese plan to ever pull their country out of the crapper? Hard as I try I can't envisage a regional economic sphere with Israel as a part of it. The Arab states will never accept having to deal with them as partners let alone leaders where it makes economic sense to do that. And more's the pity to them as much as I hate that emotion because the whole weltshanung of dumping water in the ocean 'just because' speaks volumes about what they are incapable of conceiving otherwise. And they wonder why they're stalled.
We used to have fire, but the inventor died and our high priest told us it was evil anyway, pass me a blanket please.
The point is at the moment the Litannni water supply is such a non-issue at this present point in time. Israel are completely wrong to say Lebanon cannt pump out of that source, any treaty concerning the source would almost certainly allow Lebanon to pump many times that amount.
You are right, it is hard to envisage Israel as an economic part of the middle-east, but this is partly due to Israels policies too that have alienated her neighbours and the hate that her neighbours feel for her is reciprocated
Minusthejihad, I am critical of all the things you have mentioned, but the Israeli occupation costs far more lifes (both Palestinian and Israeli) than any of those other two and is far more sensless than any other humanitarian situation. This is Israelforum and not Sudanforum, you will notice on U75 that I have posted very few times on the oft-discussed topic of Israel and have spent far more time arguing with anarchists (albeit, less heated), who include (I think anyway, sorry ftp i i'm wrong) freethepeeps among their number. I have not forgiven others of their crimes, I have repeatedly stated that suicide bombing is a war-crime (possibly a crime against humanity) and that neither sides action cannot be excused by the actions of the other.
You keep missing the point JCSD. Israel, from day 1, has tried all it can to appease and offer solutions to her neighbors. 2 of which got the message and signed peace treaties. You think a bunch of Jews just got trigger happy and started attacking over a billion Muslim neighbors or something. The main point yuou keep skipping over, is that the Islamists will never ever want peace with Israel and their goal is no Jews - anywhere. Once YOU take off the blinders and see that, maybe we can work together to fix the other problems. But that is the first step.Originally posted by jcsd
The point is at the moment the Litannni water supply is such a non-issue at this present point in time. Israel are completely wrong to say Lebanon cannt pump out of that source, any treaty concerning the source would almost certainly allow Lebanon to pump many times that amount.
You are right, it is hard to envisage Israel as an economic part of the middle-east, but this is partly due to Israels policies too that have alienated her neighbours and the hate that her neighbours feel for her is reciprocated
Minusthejihad, I am critical of all the things you have mentioned, but the Israeli occupation costs far more lifes (both Palestinian and Israeli) than any of those other two and is far more sensless than any other humanitarian situation. This is Israelforum and not Sudanforum, you will notice on U75 that I have posted very few times on the oft-discussed topic of Israel and have spent far more time arguing with anarchists (albeit, less heated), who include (I think anyway, sorry ftp i i'm wrong) freethepeeps among their number. I have not forgiven others of their crimes, I have repeatedly stated that suicide bombing is a war-crime (possibly a crime against humanity) and that neither sides action cannot be excused by the actions of the other.
By the way, there are MUCH worse attrocities occuring throughout the world each day that claim WAY MORE lives than the intifada. How about fighting hunger guy? Or Aids in Africa? Those are 2 things you can actually have an effect on, whereas your complaints here won't even reach Israel.
Originally posted by jcsd
You are right, it is hard to envisage Israel as an economic part of the middle-east, but this is partly due to Israels policies too that have alienated her neighbours and the hate that her neighbours feel for her is reciprocated
Oh that's a cop out, that's really lame. No the reason is that they hate the Israelis for any reason, not because of any reason in particular. Wouldn't it be funny though if Israeli technicians and busnessmen and women were met at the Damascus airport with a big banner that said
"Get out of our country....and take us with you"
Wouldn't it be ironic if Israeli sold it's Arab neighbors crowd control and non lethal police technology? After all all trade arrangements start small with tech transfer sales just like this.
The reason they hate the Israelis are obvious and so are the reasons the Israelis hate them.
I see there's one thing I can wholeheartedly agree with you on. The occupation and all forms of terrorism should be completely done away with! Israel should be whole once again and to be finally allowed live in peace!Originally posted by jcsd
...and I condemn both the occupation and the sucide bombings.
Good! I'm glad you agree and I'll reiterate my position again sucide bombing is a wholly illegitmate tatic.
Would you care to prove Israeli war-crimes?Originally posted by jcsd
War Crimes by both sides go back to well before 1948, just about the time that the Geneva convention was ratified. Israel's actions go far beyond self-defence.
What war-crimes are you talking about?
Furthermore, we offered the Palestinians a state, and they refused. We offer them land and get murder instead.
Would Great Britain tolerate Suicide Bombers in London?
I think not. Israel can, should, and will defend it's self, regardless of weak-moraled Europeans like yourself.
1. I have set out alot of evidence of Israeli war crimes 1967-present day, read back to see that evidence.
2. On another thread I provided an account of a Jewish soldier in the war of independance on the clearance of Beit Nuiba, I also have a quote from a pre-Israeli Jewish Commander admitting that his troops were involved in a massacre of an Arab village.
3. The end product of the Oslo accord was only nominally a Palestinian state.
4. Great Britain is not currently occupying any territories against the majority wish of the citizens of that territory and it does not place illegal settlments on someone else's land, so the comparision is invalied.
5. How can occupying someone else ever be described as defence? The Israeli occupation is the root cause of the current spate of terrorism.
But in another thread you deny the existance of terrorism so either this is self serving or that is.
When do I deny the existance of terrorism?
Oh - sorry. When you said that the Hebron attack wasn't terrorism because soldiers died.
Well it certainly appears to be less characteristic of a terrorist attack than many Israeli assaults and that is not denying terrorism, it is saying that this specfic event appears not to be a terrorist attack.
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