Israel running out of money, out of options

[NewsGuy]

Israel running out of money, out of options
(IsraelForum.com original)

In the past two weeks, large-scale terrorist attacks have demonstrated two tragic facts. First, that Palestinian terrorists will continue to massacre Israelis so long as they are capable of doing so. Second, that Israel's current strategy for fighting terrorism is woefully inadequate.

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To be sure, Israel has made some inroads in its fight against Palestinian terrorism. The infrastructure of groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah has been weakened. Many of these groups' leaders have been eliminated by Israel and their capacity to mass murder innocent victims has thankfully been reduced.

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Still, Palestinian society is so thoroughly infected with terrorists and suicide bombers that it would be difficult to cure this national disease on a terrorist-by-terrorist basis. Instead, the only likely resolution of the Palestinian terrorism problem is the implementation of a deterrent so effective, that Israel would have no need to deplete its financial reserves by keeping troops in the Palestinian areas.

First, Israel must target the top-tier leadership of the Palestinian terror machine. Murderers like Yasser Arafat, Sheik Yassin, and Abdel Aziz Rantisi must be brought to justice and eliminated with great fanfare. Then, Israel must weigh the idea of transferring portions of the Palestinians back to their historic homeland in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria. There, the Palestinians will be able to enjoy national freedom and independence, while saving the lives of innocent victims, both Arab and Israeli.

Although the concept of population transfer has been one of the most successful methods of achieving peace and prosperity throughout history, it has come to be seen in the last few seconds of history as anathema to Western ideals. Israel, however, is a Western-style democracy located in the Middle East, where living up to 100% of Western ideals may be too high of a price to pay for those wishing to live altogether.

Let's not forget that the Mideast is, most notably, a region in which the United States and the rest of the world recently cheered on the transfer of several hundred of thousands of Palestinians out of Kuwait in the wake of Desert Storm. So, it may be time for Israel to reevaluate the concept of transfer as a method of achieving peace, by learning a valuable lesson from the Arabs themselves in this case.

Full story at:
http://www.israelforum.com/dynamix/page.pl?sn=120

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What do you think? Do you agree?

[IlyaFurman]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
Israel running out of money, out of options
(IsraelForum.com original)

First, Israel must target the top-tier leadership of the Palestinian terror machine. Murderers like Yasser Arafat, Sheik Yassin, and Abdel Aziz Rantisi must be brought to justice and eliminated with great fanfare.

Then, Israel must weigh the idea of transferring portions of the Palestinians back to their historic homeland in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria. There, the Palestinians will be able to enjoy national freedom and independence, while saving the lives of innocent victims, both Arab and Israeli.

I coudnt agree more with the first paragraph I quoted, all these leaders are still living a good life, after they are the ones that commit and instigate all these crimes, look at yassin, he always calls for attacks and says its justified, hes the "spritual leader" of hamas for god sakes,Israel has to jail him or take him out. I feel the same with Abdel Aziz Rantisi, but it shouldnt be the Israeli government going after them, lets set up a "civilian" to assainate these characters, so it will be better for Israel.

And I really dont see the transfer being reality at all NewsGuy, thats really not realistic, there are too many arabs in wb and Gaza and in Israel Proper itself to transfer, and even if transfer was cultivated, agression against Israel will continue.

We need to support and encourage "moderate" and "Israel Friendly" leaders in the Palestinain Government, and get some sort of solution.

[ibrodsky]

I'm not generally a fan of PBS, but this program and the previous one about Iraq have been outstanding.

And also very depressing...

It's clear that huge numbers of Muslims not only support terrorism, but desperately wish to participate in mass murder attacks.

There was some good news. Of the 10,000 Pashtun tribesman from Pakistan that went to fight alongside Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, most are still "missing."

But the program showed there are huge pockets of Al Qaeda supporters in places like Pakistan and Yemen. And clearly Saudi Arabia is a fascist country that works night and day to breed Islamist fanatics.

Anyway, it's not just Israel that is running out of options. If the entire West does not kick the war on terrorism into high gear and capture more terrorist leaders soon, we are going to see huge numbers of Muslims become terrorists.

We must stop this evil now before it gets even more out of hand.

I fear that WW III has started and we simply don't realize it.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by NewsGuy


First, Israel must target the top-tier leadership of the Palestinian terror machine. Murderers like Yasser Arafat, Sheik Yassin, and Abdel Aziz Rantisi must be brought to justice and eliminated with great fanfare. Then, Israel must weigh the idea of transferring portions of the Palestinians back to their historic homeland in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria. There, the Palestinians will be able to enjoy national freedom and independence, while saving the lives of innocent victims, both Arab and Israeli.

I agree with this. But what if it is not enough?

We have to remember that the entire Arab world, and most of the Muslim world, is obsessed with destroying Israel.

I think if one of these fanatical countries or groups got their hands on a nuke and some way of delivering it, they would not hesitate to set it off in Tel Aviv.

The West had better wake up soon. Quietly knocking off terrorist leaders one at a time won't do the job. Each one of these evil bin Laden wannabes, with their four wives, leave behind ten future bin Ladens.

Not just Israel, but the civilized world, must obliterate terrorist leaders and groups with much fanfare.

And certainly every day that passes during which Israel permits Yasser Arafat and Sheik Yassin to stay alive is a grave mistake. They know exactly where these barbarians are. They should be reduced to a handful of charcoal.

[istt]

Not until Israel leaves the OT and gets out of the lives of the Palestinians will there be peace. And Palestinians must be allowed to return to their homes. You can't simply displace an entire population and expect them to live happily ever after. Anyone who thinks this is delusional. If anything remotely close to what is being done to the Palestinians was done to the Jews in any part of the world, the aggressors would be snuffed out immediately. Can you imagine non-combatant Jews being shot by fundamentalist Muslims while picking olives? Can you imagine if Muslims maintained lush lawns and had swimming pools while most Jews barely got enough water to survive? Can you imagine if Muslims used tanks and F-16s to repeatedly destroy Jewish holy sites while killing civilian Jews randomly? And on and on.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by istt
Can you imagine non-combatant Jews being shot by fundamentalist Muslims while picking olives?

I can!

[victot]

Not until Israel leaves the OT and gets out of the lives of the Palestinians will there be peace. And Palestinians must be allowed to return to their homes. You can't simply displace an entire population and expect them to live happily ever after. Anyone who thinks this is delusional. If anything remotely close to what is being done to the Palestinians was done to the Jews in any part of the world, the aggressors would be snuffed out immediately. Can you imagine non-combatant Jews being shot by fundamentalist Muslims while picking olives? Can you imagine if Muslims maintained lush lawns and had swimming pools while most Jews barely got enough water to survive? Can you imagine if Muslims used tanks and F-16s to repeatedly destroy Jewish holy sites while killing civilian Jews randomly? And on and on.

you have a knack for posting bullsh_t

the arab/Muslim people are bar none the most nationalistic people on earth. they fought and conquered millions square miles of land. this is how their empre became SO vast. the jewish people have the right to sovreignty to at least part of thier ancient holy land.

about the palestinians being displaced, maybe they should not have launched the war of extermination against the state of israel when it had a majority population in 1947.

after 2000 years of persecution in exile which culminated in the holocaust, the un voted to give the jeiwhs people a tiny piece of their holy ancestrial land, a land which they WERE THE MAJORITY POPULATION OF THE TIME, and the palestinians and the rest of the arab world responded by invading israel with all thier armies and saying:
“This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

they launch wars of f_CKING extermination against us, and we're supposed to feel sorry? that's a joke.

if it would make peace, they can have the west bank, but not more than that.

[L@mplighterM]

It has been apparent for some time that the name of the game is the destruction of Israel as a state. One thing that becomes crystal clear in this forum and others is that there are a substantial numbers of posters that feel that the terrorist attacks are directly linked to the issue of land. This opinion of course extends beyond forums into the real world.

It’s useless to point out that there were forces that wanted to destroy Israel prior to the passing of UN resolution 242 in 1968. It simply will not sell!

I’d like to see the Radical Islamic Terrorists and their supporters relocated in hell but realistically that can’t be done anymore than sending them to the desert. It won’t happen because organizations such as the UN have become loaded with pro Islam supporters and would step in to prevent such a transfer.

I wouldn’t own a dog that bit my hand when I fed it so I don’t see Palestinians being given authorization to work in Israel in the foreseeable future. Whatever economic difficulties the Palestinians are facing are of their own making or at least the fault of their leadership.

The only option in my opinion is a full-scale war with Syria and Lebanon in conjunction with massive strikes against known terrorists in the WB and GS. The problem is that an undertaking like that would not provide a permanent long term solution, at least that hasn’t been the case so far.

I conclude that the Arabs will not be satisfied until each and every Jew is driven from Israel. If the Arabs/Muslims stay on course they will be successful in their undertaking.

[Teacake]

And like the last time the world turned against Jews, it didn't take much this time. These days they hedge around with the PC lingo and say.. we are against zionism, not Jews. Yeah, right.

Hate to say it but there is only one thing that will reduce the islamic threat and that's a few nukes in stratigic locations. IF the western world doesn't defuse these out of control blood thirsty monsters, there is no hope for a livable world in the near future.

[elke]

. If anything remotely close to what is being done to the Palestinians was done to the Jews in any part of the world, the aggressors would be snuffed out immediately. Can you imagine non-combatant Jews being shot by fundamentalist Muslims while picking olives? Can you imagine if Muslims maintained lush lawns and had swimming pools while most Jews barely got enough water to survive? Can you imagine if Muslims used tanks and F-16s to repeatedly destroy Jewish holy sites while killing civilian Jews randomly? And on and on.

This is patent nonsense!

Can you imagine what would happen to the Palestinians if they were lead by the millions to their death in the gas chambers? Or if medical experiments were done on them? Or their places of worship were burned to the crisp, while those doing the burning were shouting that "it's not about Islam, it's about what your country is doing!"

I don't know...were there any suicide murderers in Berlin cafes in WWII, killing civilians by the dozens?

So, they use plastic explosives and AK47s, instead of M16s and tanks; and blow up people on their way to work in a bus as opposed to picking olives. The scenarios you have mentioned are exactly what's happening; and we actually do know what happens to these aggressors - the IDF risks the lives of their soldiers to minimize casualties to people many of whom support these actions.

[L@mplighterM]

My heart says nuke the bastards send them to Baghdad, Tehran and Damascus for starters. In the short term it might solve the immediate problem but the long term consequences could be disastrous for Israel.

Every Muslim nation in the world would justify the end of Israel as a nation Pakistan might even launch a nuclear strike at Tel Aviv or other large cities.

Five million Israeli Jews can’t win a non conventional fought war anymore nor can they win a nuclear war, those days are gone. 1,000’s of Kassan rockets can be sent to Israel from Syria loaded with chemical weapons. Tehran has developed missiles capable of striking Israel and Egypt is well armed courtesy of the US. The list goes on!

Clearly the time has come where there has to be intervention from the International community. Various International bodies have determined that the bombers and shooters aren’t freedom fighters but terrorists.

If western civilization has any hope for survival each and every Islamic Fundamentalist organization must be destroyed and be dealt with continuously. Trade embargoes and sanctions must be placed on nations that don’t crack down on Fundamentalist elements in their societies.

It will be a costly battle and taxpayers will be faced with increased taxes to foot the cost of eliminating Islamic Fundamentalism. With the introduction of super bugs into our society isolation in hospitals has become a norm.

Yesterday I spoke to a civil servant in Denmark and I asked him if the media there were exaggerating the problem that country faces with Muslims. According to him the biggest problems come from 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims in that country. There have been interviews conducted in the US where up to 4th generation Muslims support the slaughter of Israelis.

If his opinion is based on statistics I think it would be prudent for western countries to ban entry from Islamic countries. Such an act dose not constitute racism in my opinion and it’s a necessary step to fight Islamic Fundamentalism because it must be fought on all fronts.

Fight it at home, abroad and everywhere it exists.

[istt]

Have you ever read the diaries of some of the original Zionists such as Ben-Gurion and Herzl? From day one they made it clear there intention was always to have total control over Eretz Israel. It was not a matter of the Arabs getting what they deserved. The Arabs never had a prayer against a well-financed, well-trained Irgun et al. Prior to the Zionist agitators arriving in Palestine there were few problems between the Jews and the Arabs. It was only when the Zionists boycotted Arab labor and goods that things began to unravel.

Interesting assertion you make about the Arabs being the most nationalistic crazies out there. I wonder what the Jews were saying about the Germans in the 1930's? Funny how the Jews were so supportive of the UN when it came to the founding of Israel but discarded and discredited it when the UN called for Israeli accountability. Funny how the British were friends and allies of the Zionists until they changed the immigration policies. The British went from essential comrade to Jew haters over night. Funny how the Israelis seem to so often have these ambivalent relationships. Just tow the line and the world is a wonderful place.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by istt
The Arabs never had a prayer against a well-financed, well-trained Irgun et al.

That is not factually correct. They showed up with little.


Prior to the Zionist agitators arriving in Palestine there were few problems between the Jews and the Arabs.


That is not factually correct. Dhimmi to say nothing of the pogroms of the 1920's


It was only when the Zionists boycotted Arab labor and goods that things began to unravel.

That is not factually correct or even meaninful. Buy my stuff or Ill be forced to kill you?

Interesting assertion you make about the Arabs being the most nationalistic crazies out there.

Nationalistic is the wrong word. I'm not sure there's an English word for it, perhaps 'rabidly inward looking'.

I wonder what the Jews were saying about the Germans in the 1930's?

I imagine it was something like "Don't Kill Me"

Funny how the Israelis seem to so often have these ambivalent relationships. Just tow the line and the world is a wonderful place.

You're letting your hood slip again. That's a straight up Stromfront sentence. I'm always baffled why you don't think you're #2 of their list of people to send up the chimney?

[istt]

If you are going to create your own history, Joan Peters style, there is nothing I can say. Have a good time in your bubble.

[Mediocrates]

So is that "I don't know"?