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    Netanyahu to present new peace initiative, offer E Jerusalem as Palestinian capital?

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected in the coming weeks to put forward a peace initiative in a bid to break through the deadlock in the peace process and extricate Israel from international isolation.

    Netanyahu has warned in recent days during closed meetings that “a binational state would be disastrous for Israel,” and therefore it is necessary to undertake a political move that will remove this threat.


    In recent weeks the prime minister has come under intense international pressure over Israel’s policies. Europe’s unequivocal stance against Israel at the Security Council vote on the issue of the settlements, the rebuke that accompanied the U.S. veto, and the unpleasant telephone exchange with German Chancellor Angela Merkel last week reportedly shook Netanyahu.

    Moreover, the European Union, Russia and the United Nations are working together to push through an unprecedented agreement during the Quartet’s meeting in Paris in a week. According to the draft of the agreement that is being passed between the parties, the Quartet will declare that a Palestinian state will be established on the basis of the 1967 borders, with some land swaps.


    In some of the drafts East Jerusalem is mentioned as the capital of the Palestinian state.

    Sources in the Prime Minister’s Office say that in recent weeks Netanyahu has been talking with the Obama administration in order to formulate a program that would restart the peace process.

    His adviser, Ron Dermer, flew secretly to Washington a week ago and met with senior White House officials. U.S. envoys Dennis Ross and Fred Hoff also visited Israel and met with Netanyahu.

    “The prime minister has realized that the political impasse is not working in favor of Israel,” one of Netanyahu’s advisers said.

    “Following a few weeks of revolution in the Arab world he is convinced that there are opportunities, not just threats, and that it is important to take advantage of the situation that was created in order to restart the peace process and put an end to the unilateral initiatives of the Palestinians.”

    In private talks recently, Netanyahu has reportedly begun discussing the growing threat of a binational state.

    “This trend will intensify and become stronger,” Netanyahu told his advisers. “However there are those in Israel who think that one state is a good idea. I think it is a disaster.”

    Netanyahu would like to announce his peace plan in a speech in the coming weeks. One of the ideas being considered is that Netanyahu would speak before a joint session of the U.S. Congress.

    Netanyahu is scheduled to travel to Washington for an AIPAC conference in May, but his advisers are trying to move the trip to an earlier date. Discussion of a speech before a joint session was central to the talks between the Prime Minister’s Office and the White House.

    A well-positioned Israeli source said that at this stage U.S. President Barack Obama and his advisers are reluctant to run with the idea over fears it has the imprint of talks between Netanyahu’s advisers and Republic Congressmen. Moreover, the White House is not yet convinced that Netanyahu’s speech will have sufficient substance for it to constitute a political breakthrough.


    “The prime minister wants to move ahead substantively but he wants to know that he has American backing,” one of Netanyahu’s advisers said. “If the U.S. administration goes with him, he is willing to undertake compromises and take difficult steps.”

    A senior source in Netanyahu’s bureau said that the prime minister had held talks about how to proceed forward with a small number of advisers, including ministers Dan Meridor and Benny Begin, in order to avoid leaks. Defense Minister Ehud Barak participated in some of the meetings.
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...dlock-1.346999

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    Re: Netanyahu to present new peace initiative, offer E Jerusalem as Palestinian capit

    This is exactly what i was talking about in a previous post i posted, Giving the arabs East jerusalem will NOT bring peace, it will simply entice them to go after the another half, netanyahu and his advisors know this, my guess is the only reason they are pretending to go down this path is american pressure, if the arabs had no oil or if we didnt need it, the americans wouldnt be presuring israel into making any idiotic concessions that will bring nothing.

    Off topic abit but by the way, im seriously thinking the US is getting involved in this Libya issue simply because of oil, the US dosent care if 100 or 1000 libyans die, where is americas outrage at the Congo where 40,000 people are murdered every month for the last 10yrs. not one peep out of the USA on this issue, I really think in the back of the Obama administration mind Libyas
    OIL is the actualy focus, and securing it for the US and the European allies is the goal.

    Can you imagine if suddenly RUSSIA said we will liberate the poor people of libya, lol, the US wouldnt be too happy about that would they?lol because they dont want the ruskies getting the OIL
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    Re: Netanyahu to present new peace initiative, offer E Jerusalem as Palestinian capit

    Russia has plenty of oil. It's China you have to watch. Anyway it doesn't matter what deal is on the table. The Palestinians say no.

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    I agree with Mediocrates.

    By now many Israelis who have been involved in the peace negotiations of the past, have learned that the Palestinians won'r accept any compromise whatsoever, regardless of the concessions offered (stupidly) by Israel.

    The Palestinians, on the other hand, have come to believe that they can get more Jewish land from the UN than by negotiating with Israel.

    This speech by Netanyahu, if that;s what he will say, won't change a thing.

    The most important thing is to see what Israel will do in the event that the Palestinians declare a state unilaterally. That's the key at this point.
    "All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon

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    Re: Netanyahu to present new peace initiative, offer E Jerusalem as Palestinian capit

    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates View Post
    Russia has plenty of oil. It's China you have to watch. Anyway it doesn't matter what deal is on the table. The Palestinians say no.
    You wish. The Palestine Papers show that it is Israel who says no.

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    This is good news. There is so much going on at the moment. Peace is very close, and those who really care about Israel must double their efforts against the noisy minority of settlers and extremists.

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    I am so fascinated by all this talk of dividing Jerusalem. How do they think it's going to work, in practice? Berlin wall-style? Or do they think the division of the city isn't going to require delineating a physical border through the middle of mixed neighborhood like Abu Tor, razing thousands of homes in the process? How does one delineate a border in the Old City where Jewish and Arab areas are literally on top of each other- one floor Jewish, one floor Arab? What is going to happen to the 200 000 East Jerusalem Arabs who will lose their medical insurance, social security and unemployments payments?
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    What is going to happen to the 200 000 East Jerusalem Arabs who will lose their medical insurance, social security and unemployments payments?
    The world will continue to give financial aid via UNRWA as it does to all the Palarabs. However I expect any displaced Jews to get empty promises and caravillas at best. Ref Gush Katif.

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    Re: Netanyahu to present new peace initiative, offer E Jerusalem as Palestinian capit

    Deep in the archives of the blog of Yaakov Lozowick, who happens to live in Jerusalem, he posted 2 or 3 times of the walking tour he took, with a camera demonstrating what these purported demarc lines look like on the ground. They would be dividing streets in half. Sometimes the upper floor of a building would go to one country and the lower floor to the other. Streets would get isolated and change hands 2 times or more when walking from the beginning of a street in the Old City to the other end.

    It's an impossible crazy quilt. I may have posted a link to it some months back.

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    Thanks Medio, I just checked out Yaakovs blogs and found this very interesting piece. it suggests that in reality East Jerusalem would become a militarised ghost town.
    https://docs.google.com/View?id=dgxshts6_76gpqgxjfb
    From Hebron to Jerusalem:

    Hebron in 2009 is a desolate and depressing place. It is what happens when Israelis and Palestinians agree to divide a city, but can't agree to live together in peace. The blame for lack of peace is irrelevant: each side will doubtlessly say it's all the fault of the other, but the result won't be any nicer thereby. The myriads of observers, pundits, politicians, dreamers, visionaries and true believers who all know for a certainty that dividing Jerusalem is the key to peace in the Middle east, need urgently to visit Hebron. The complications there are mild, concentrated in an area the size of two football fields, and ultimately the whole place is a side show. The complexity of Jerusalem is a thousand fold greater, the stakes are immense, and it truly is the heart of the conflict.

    If you're of the irrational belief that following the signing of a peace agreement, which by definition will be wrenching and painful for both sides, Israelis and Palestinians will straightaway fall on each others' shoulders and weep with relief and brotherly love, then perhaps you may be forgiven for advocating the division of Jerusalem. If not, it's hard to see how you can observe Hebron and wish the same for Jerusalem. Ultimately, no matter what the position of the outsiders who have no dogs in the fight, the leaders, decision makers and especially the citizens of Israel would be irredeemably reckless to agree to the division of Jerusalem, now that the small scale experiment of Hebron has so gone so dramatically wrong.

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    I get the impression that Obama and his ilk think that they can use the same strategy as with toddlers who fight in kindergarten, Force them together to kiss and make up.
    When the piles of dead in the streets start to cause health problems, I'm afraid 'Ooops" just wont cut it.

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    Something has to happen soon, otherwise Israel needs to give Palestinians citizenship. You can't live in this form of deadlock forever.

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    That's what the PLO is banking on. The "Quartet" figures they can appease the savages by giving them all of Yesha and the Old City. Make it all ethnically cleansed of Jews. And then they'll go away. Which of course is nonsense, because they won't they'll just demand all of Israel.

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    I don't care if they wont accept it. I find it appalling that we offer it. I repeat- offer it. We need to define borders and cut off their bloody juice and water. Give them a road out and salt the earth they lived on. Colonists should not be apologized to, catered to or offered anything whatsoever. They are invaders, they are racists and they are savages. Agreements are among civilized people not between the legacy of Jihad and their former dhimmies.

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    Well, if they and since they demand all of the land, even the spots that are ours, they can kindly bugger off. World hypocrisy is stunning to say the least.

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