Netanyahu to present new peace initiative, offer E Jerusalem as Palestinian capital?

[redactor]

Something has to happen soon, otherwise Israel needs to give Palestinians citizenship. You can't live in this form of deadlock forever.

Good point. things are happening, and happening fast. Expect an Israeli offer soon.

[redactor]

because they won't they'll just demand all of Israel.

The Palestine Papers show that you are wrong. Your tired old argument has been demonstrated to be untrue. Why not give it up, and help those of us who want peace and security to deal with the real issues.

[redactor]

Colonists should not be apologized to, catered to or offered anything whatsoever. They are invaders, they are racists and they are savages. Agreements are among civilized people not between the legacy of Jihad and their former dhimmies.

Thank you for being honest enough to point out that Israel is a colonial imperial power in the occupied Territories. It is good to know the views of those who mainstream Jews are arguing with.

[farmboy]

Thank you for being honest enough

does not emphasise any point

[Mediocrates]

The Palestinians have never demonstrated any willingness to accept anything less than 100% of the entirety of Israel. The "Palestian Papers" which were never acted upon or even brought to the public's attention demonstrate nothing. There's been endless proposals and the Palestinians said no to all of them. This is no different.

[Mediocrates]

Thanks Medio, I just checked out Yaakovs blogs and found this very interesting piece. it suggests that in reality East Jerusalem would become a militarised ghost town.

From just today, a photo essay on the unreality of dividing Jerusalem:

http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2...el-street.html

From news article:

Asael Street is on the Green Line in Abu Tur, on the hill south of the Old City. It's a small street, which can be entered by car only from the south, where the skeleton of a 1948-67 IDF bunker still stands, a reminder of the 19 years in which the neighborhood was divided between Israeli territory in the West, and Jordanian territory in the East; in those days the line between the homes was hostile and sometimes violent. The years of peace and prosperity since 1967 have encouraged the locals to build right up to their respective national lines, and the result is that along the entire line in Abu Tor, Jewish and Palestinian homes sit next to each other. In the picture below, the red-roofed building is Palestinian, and the building facing it to the left is Jewish. They're both on Asael.

[bararallu]

Thank you for being honest enough to point out that Israel is a colonial imperial power in the occupied Territories. It is good to know the views of those who mainstream Jews are arguing with.

Not at the least, but thanks for being the neighborhood skinhead and blaming everything wrong in your dreary little world view on the Jews. The Arabs are theologically driven imperialists, aided and abetted by some Jew hating Europeans, and a smaller minority of Judenräte. The Arabs have been so aided since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and more so since the emergence of the USSR and Third Reich.

Now to more important things- in your statement, why is "occupied" not capitalized and "Territories" is? Is that Gaelic orthography or just plain ignorance of your Queen's' English? Not that I accept an anti-semitic, colonialist, term as a proper noun. He're some help.

[redactor]

The Palestinians have never demonstrated any willingness to accept anything less than 100% of the entirety of Israel. The "Palestian Papers" which were never acted upon or even brought to the public's attention demonstrate nothing. There's been endless proposals and the Palestinians said no to all of them. This is no different.

How strange until recently you denied that the PP existed. They demonstrate that actually the Palestinians will settle for only 22 per cent of Mandate Palestine. They were secret government to government negotiations, so your point about them not being brought to the attention of the public is silly. Your continued denial of peace initiatives by saying the same thing over and over again just demonstrates that you know nothing, and are scared at how close peace really is. Israel said no, next time it must say yes.

[redactor]

Not at the least, but thanks for being the neighborhood skinhead and blaming everything wrong in your dreary little world view on the Jews. The Arabs are theologically driven imperialists, aided and abetted by some Jew hating Europeans, and a smaller minority of Judenräte. The Arabs have been so aided since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and more so since the emergence of the USSR and Third Reich.

Now to more important things- in your statement, why is "occupied" not capitalized and "Territories" is? Is that Gaelic orthography or just plain ignorance of your Queen's' English? Not that I accept an anti-semitic, colonialist, term as a proper noun. He're some help.

So you do not deny that you support ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, who you call Arabs? Thanks for your honesty. You are so far out on the right that your 'opinion' is not worth debating. Mainstream Jews do not use the terms Samaria and Judea.

[curlyg]

So you do not deny that you support ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, who you call Arabs? Thanks for your honesty. You are so far out on the right that your 'opinion' is not worth debating. Mainstream Jews do not use the terms Samaria and Judea.

Judea and Samaria is the official Israeli terminology, so I daresay you're wrong there...

[Mediocrates]

How strange until recently you denied that the PP existed. They demonstrate that actually the Palestinians will settle for only 22 per cent of Mandate Palestine. They were secret government to government negotiations, so your point about them not being brought to the attention of the public is silly. Your continued denial of peace initiatives by saying the same thing over and over again just demonstrates that you know nothing, and are scared at how close peace really is. Israel said no, next time it must say yes.

I did not 'deny' it. I tend to believe they are of very little import. Clearly you are not listening. You are here simply to spout the same 8 or 9 sentences over and over and your view of 'discussion' is having everyone simply agree to whatever you say. Wouldn't your time be better spent trashing a supermarket with Israeli goods in it? I hear that sort of thing is popular among your set.

And in any case, you should not pretend I am 'afraid' (your word) of peace. If you'd like a discussion have it, otherwise sod off. thank you.

[Mediocrates]

Would the esteemed gentleman from Scotland care to define what he means when his uses the term 'mainstream Jews'? He's used that term more than a dozen time bundled with the claim, seemingly, that anyone who's actually not an antiZionist is a mainstream Jew. OR something like that, in any case would he like to more clearly define the taxonomy of that group?

thank you.

and yes I know, I am silly, have nothing to say, etc etc etc etc. yadda yadda.

[bararallu]

Mainstream Jews = Chomsky et al.

[Bat Tziyon]

I tend to think the international community will view an offering by Bibi on East Jerusalem a moot gesture unless it is packaged with a complimentary proposal vis-a-vis the settlements in-toto.

[bararallu]

As long as the international community is vetted through the UN and we are a sovereign state with means to punch holes in aircraft carriers and turn cities into moonscape reality says it doesn't matter. If someone is going to do anything then let them try. The people that will vote against us (e.g., Russia, China) will be the first to trade virtually unfettered with us. Germany still trades with Iran even though there is embargo on. We should not care about threats, but deliver them ourselves.