who here believes in god?

[JerichoMissile]

Hi guys
this question has been on my mind for awhile now, and i saw the post about the torah so i thought why not just ask this in a new post so here i goes.


Now ok to my actual question.

Who here actually belives in god 100%, because even though i would give my life to israel (which i believe IS the jewish people), im "smart" enough to know about evolution and the darwinian theory.

Now, who here actually believes god clicked his fingers and the universe was created?, and that earth is only a few thousand years old, because to believe in god one MUST believe in this right?

Why dosent the torah or bible mention why did god create dinosaurs millions of yrs before humans came along?
there is 100% scientific evidence of dinosaur bones, so why did god create them, and dosent this prove the world isnt a few thousand yrs old? but billions of yrs old.

Isnt it hypocritical to say yes im a good jew i believe in god, but i also believe in evolution and that earth is billions of yrs old and not a few thousand like religious leaders and religious books want us to believe.


Is anyone here an actual rabbi? or very religious?, if yes than to be a rabbi one must believe that god made man in his image right just like that with a click of his fingers right?
not that we evolved from homo erectus etc...
so rabbis also believe that earth is a few thousand yrs old as well right?
even though there are rocks that are billions of yrs old, and dinosaur bones that are hundreds of millions of yrs old.
but to be a man of god you must not believe in this right?

not trying to cause trouble here as i do love israel and the jewish people and we should all look after our own people first because thats the most important, even if there is no god.

any comments good or bad appreciated, thanks.

[farmboy]

There definately is something. When you see footprints in the snow you can't always be sure what left them but you know for sure that it wasnt by chance that the snow landed like that.

[JerichoMissile]

There definately is something. .

so whats that mean, either god clicked his fingers and created the world in 7 days,

or the world is actually 6 billion yrs old and and we come from apes. and there is no god.

which one is it?

because like i said above isnt it hypocritical to say im smart enough to figure out the world is 6billion yrs old, but i also believe in god.

you cant have it both ways can you?

[Aliyah1995]

Orthodox Judaism and evolution are NOT necessarily incompatible. I recommend reading "Genesis and the Big Bang" by Gerald Schroeder to see why:

http://genesisbigbang.com/

No matter what your faith (or if you have no faith), whether you are religious or not, and whether you ultimately agree with Dr. Schroeder or not, this is DEFINITELY food for thought for those wrestling with your question/s....

[JerichoMissile]

Orthodox Judaism and evolution are NOT necessarily incompatible. I recommend reading "Genesis and the Big Bang" by Gerald Schroeder to see why:

http://genesisbigbang.com/

No matter what your faith (or if you have no faith), whether you are religious or not, and whether you ultimately agree with Dr. Schroeder or not, this is DEFINITELY food for thought for those wrestling with your question/s....

to be honest im probably not gonna bother reading this, but isnt this just one guys philosophy about what the world should be like?

it still comes down to either god clicked his fingers and made the earth and mankind in 7 days.

OR

The earth is 6billion yrs old, dinosaurs became extinct after a meteorite that collided with the earth about 65million yrs ago, giving way to smaller creatures to evolve into what became
homo sapien. and there is no room for god.

You cant say god clicked his magical fingers but it took 6billion yrs to make the earth, you cant have it both ways.

[Aliyah1995]

to be honest im probably not gonna bother reading this, but isnt this just one guys philosophy about what the world should be like?

it still comes down to either god clicked his fingers and made the earth and mankind in 7 days.

OR

The earth is 6billion yrs old, dinosaurs became extinct after a meteorite that collided with the earth about 65million yrs ago, giving way to smaller creatures to evolve into what became
homo sapien. and there is no room for god.

You cant say god clicked his magical fingers but it took 6billion yrs to make the earth, you cant have it both ways.

Well, if you read this book (even if you don't necessarily agree with it), you will see that this topic is NOT so black or white....

I recommend this book because Gerald Schroeder is a VERY respected physicist the world over (who has participated in some VERY highly classified projects in the States) and, while not a Rabbi, he is a learned Torah observant Jew who knows his Torah and Gemarrah....

[farmboy]

so whats that mean, either god clicked his fingers and created the world in 7 days,

or the world is actually 6 billion yrs old and and we come from apes. and there is no god.

which one is it?

because like i said above isnt it hypocritical to say im smart enough to figure out the world is 6billion yrs old, but i also believe in god.

you cant have it both ways can you?

How intelligent are you? Do you know almost everything? What percentage of knowledge do you think you know?
Train an ant to perform differential calculus and maybe you will be able to work out the answer to your questions.
What makes you think that any mortal could answer you with anything more than what they percieve. You are not going to find the answer in black and white but if you seek with an open heart and mind, with luck you will become 51% sure.
What is confusing you is your understanding of time. If the earth was not around then how long was a day because prior to it's creation it could not have revolved in 24 hours.
I find it more acceptable to believe that intelligence created matter than the other way around.

[Achihud]

God spoke and it came into being. If words create, the search for wisdom lies within the nature of letters, the nature of sounds which are vibrations which are numbers. So words are codes containing vibrations in various order. So in no time you will enter the world of Qaballah where ultimate wisdom is waiting and insanity is lurking.

[Sanket]

who here believes in god?

I don't believe in God. But the debates about Gods are always much more interesting when we DONT quote ANY religious Texts.

[I am David 2]

Evolution is God's tool, and the Torah's description of creation is an abbreviation. That is as valid an interpretation of Jewish religious texts on the matter as any. No one ever said the interpretation of the Torah had to be literal. In fact most Rabbis would say as much, they just don't apply the concept as universally as they should.

[farmboy]

I think the OP question should have been qualified by the addition of "and do you think G-d Cares whether you do or don't?"
Does G-d really want to be believed in? If he did he would be there for all to see. As it is, it seems he hides and is only witnessed or explained away by seemingly miraculous events.

[dayag]

I believe the Creation account in the Torah to be poetic and not literal or abbreviated. It is made up of
three sets of connected pairs.

On the first and fourth days, you have the creation of light and the sun, moon, and stars respectively.
On the second and fifth days, you have the separation of the water and sky and the sea and air creatures.
On the third and sixth days, you have the creation of land and land creatures.

It is clear from the geologic record that birds and sea creatures did not appear at the same time. Sea
creatures were followed by land creatures and only later creatures of the air.

[bararallu]

99% of the living (biosphere) has been and always will be bacteria and viruses. For one Adam and one Eve, there has always been 1 trillion e.coli. . To assume that we have a privileged position on this planet is dubious. Theism or not.

[Sanket]

99% of the living (biosphere) has been and always will be bacteria and viruses.... To assume that we have a privileged position on this planet is dubious. Theism or not.

Who created the universe? Does science explain what caused the big bang?

[bararallu]

Who created the universe? Does science explain what caused the big bang?

There are some scientific theories about how universes work, including their spawning. If you mean "Existence" per se, then that is an unanswerable question, and I'd argue the only one that will remain to be even after the death of our species and the end of our Universe.

Theology (rather than religion or spirituality) is far more hobbled in trying to explain anything important systematically- even though that was it's calling a few centuries ago. It's like trying to do modern organic chemistry with the tools and ideas of 14th century Alchemy. A non starter IMHO.