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    Shto eto, tovarish! Why all the Russki? Has Avigdor Lieberman taken over our minds? Wait a minute... I wound up on the wrong thread...

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    Kirillica! Kommunisty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by American4Israel View Post
    I fully expect to see my mother-in-law in Heaven, and I dare say God will have no trouble conversing with her. In fact, He may even take tea with her -- He's that sort of God. That said, He also seems able to communicate with others, such as the Jews. I don't know the answer: The matter is too great for me.
    Ever heard of Mirabelli? This is how it's done for the most part. Just read about the manifestations that accompanied the biblical miracles and you'll see many similarities. Many scientists and respectable persons witnessed the appearances, conversed with them and not once was the full-trance medium caught on being a fraud.
    http://www.the-voicebox.com/mirabellicarmine.htm

    Among those who gave their names as witnesses to Mirabelli's amazing feats, were the President of Brazil, The Secretary of State, two Professors of Medicine, 72 Doctors, 12 Engineers, 36 Lawyers, 89 men of public office, 25 Military men, 52 Bankers, 128 Merchants and 22 Dentists as well as members of religious orders. The testimony of so many credible witnesses is hard to overlook. Even so, he has been accused of fraudulent practices and some photographs showing his levitations, were seen to have been 'touched up'.

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    I like science, but Im not able to understand much of it. I just stick to what I know for sure. God saved me when I was very young from a life of bitterness and hatred, unlove and abuse. He also saved me when I fell 250-300 feet off of Signal Mountain in Tennessee in 1981 when I was thirteen years old. Gods always been there for me and I couldn't believe in something like science over God who's proven Himself to me as nobody in humanity ever has. God chose me before I even knew anything about Him and Im most greatful to Him for that.

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    It is mind boggling that smart rational people can ponder the theory of evolution/Darwinism and not laugh it off but actually validate its correctness. We have given credibility to a man, Charles Darwin, who flunked out of med school to become a guy who looks at nature. In his book, he admits to being angry with God. If you acknowledge a life that begins with God then you also must accept that it ends with God, something Darwin, in his anger, rejected... thus his theory of evolution. A theory with absolutely no shred of evidence ever found to support it nor will there ever be. Even in the theory, there is no reason given to how life began only how it evolved. From a single living organism to every type of bird, plant, fish, reptile, and mammal that we see today. From a single cell to cells that produce skin, eyes, tongues, and bones. Still no explanation from the brilliant Darwin as to how life began. Scientists have said a BIG BANG made it all. Which could be true depending on how Gods voice sounded when he said "Let there be light." If there is no Creator, then we are all here by accident. If we are here by accident, then there is no purpose to life. Without purpose there is no hope. Hope = Faith and "without faith its impossible to please God." - Hebrews 11:6 Sadly without the theory of evolution, people would find something else to remove God out of the picture. Instead of using science in opposition to God, we should use it in conjuction with Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bararallu View Post
    Indo-Europeanism imposed on Semiticsm . But in short here it is: Dualism. In the metaphysical sense it means that you can actually have a "soul". In ancient Judaism there was no difference between ones "flesh" and ones "soul" it was one and the same. That changed in contact with the Greeks and Persians. Descartes formalized it in his philosophy and there were many Christian theologians before him that discussed aspects of the idea widely in Scholastic philosophy. Some Christian theology per se is premised on the many "forms" of God, which is a variant of the same metaphysics. One assumption, like in Platonism, is that there is a "perfect form" of any object, and that is the optimal version of it, and what we have in the real world are bad copies. This thought had a lot of implications across all disciplines in Western thought.
    I would slightly disagree with you here

    Dualism divides body and soul into separate units, where one is in conflict with the other. Classic Orthodox Christianity holds that there is no separation, because we are bodily persons. So the soul is the form of the body and the body is the physical manifestation of the soul.

    It's through our flesh that we encounter the world and God. Sacramental churches hold to this view more strongly than non-sacramental ones.

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    bararallu,

    I have a quick question for you.

    I know an Anthropologist who thinks that the Bible worldview is Afro-Asiatic, because it's binary and has strong distinctions based on life and death.

    What do you know about this?

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    The answer is unequivocally yes there is a God.

    If someone doesn't believe in God it will not stop God's ultimate judgement on the individual.

    I personally don't think it's fine or ok to believe in evolution or any other religion that goes against God's wishes. But, every mortal must make that choice for themselves. You are indeed responsible for yourself. Evolution is a sneaky lie wrapped around half truths. People (at least the majority) who hear the word evolution and deem it true are either fools by choice or do not comprehend the universe that is visible to everyone.

    While it's true that (micro-evolution) does take place. For example look at the modern dog. How many known species of dogs are there currently? At least over 150. And there is diversity in dogs due to breeding in certain ways. You can breed dogs for the next 50 million years and guess what you'll end up with in 50 million years? That's right class, more dogs. You won't get a tree, or a rock, or a bear, or water, or hydrogen, or gold. This is the way of things and is very easy to see. A child can comprehend this.

    Macro-Evolution would have you believe that after 50 million years of breeding dogs you could get an entirely different entity. For the religion of evolution (and it is a religion) they make (time) itself God. To an evolutionist, time makes all things possible.

    Evolution is nothing more than the latest dream by mankind wishing themselves to become God. Although it is a very clever lie.

    I believe that God did indeed make the entire universe along with the start of our (time) in 6 days. That is how it all started.

    Evolution states the universe and time began with a big bang. What no scholar of evolution will even begin to tell anyone is where did the matter come from that went BANG. The answer to why they don't try to answer this is because it is foolish to try and do so. Yet they hold dearly to their religion that nothing created everything. Whereas people that believe in God usually believe that God created everything.

    Now the whole time issue. If the torah / bible is correct in the number of years that would put Adam somewhere around 6000 years ago. Evolution states the world is millions and millions of years old. Quite a difference. What is evolutions proof of dating the world. That's right, bones from the dead. Carbon dating to be precise. Ok if you read the bible / torah you'll notice that people used to live 100's of years in age. Methuselah is said to have lived to be 969 years old. How is that possible given how we have all these brilliant scientists today studying dna and still trying to cure the common cold and people today don't live near that long? If you study the age of mortals you'll see a drastic decline in years lived after the flood. Where did the (flood) come from? That's right class the firmament. What was the firmament? The firmament was the 7th layer of atmosphere made up of water. Thus today you have 6 layers of atmosphere.

    Any scientist conducting any kind of study will all agree on one thing. In order to have a true experiment the variables must be constant. Do you think the amount of carbon coming into the planet earth would be different with a layer of water in the atmosphere? Once again class very good, yes it would. This is at least one thing to keep in mind when thinking of the earth's age.

    Dinosaurs oh my. Well professor Spektre since you're so smart where did all the dinosaurs go? Oh that's right we had that flood thing. In Job God shows Job creatures that obviously Job doesn't know exists. I can't prove that all the dinosaurs died in the flood anymore that someone can disprove it. Evolutionists take a series of bones and surmise one came from the next. There's no possible way to tell if a dead animal (whether it was 6000 or 50 million years ago) reproduced during its life. Let alone tell if one dead animal came from another.

    The answer is this. Nobody knows it all. Nobody ever will. Either you put your faith in the all mighty God who is the God of the Jews or you put your faith in time and death. Either you believe that God created everything or you believe that matter created itself with the help of the so called time god.

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    If there is a God, I don't think he is one and Same, that is Depicted in the Torah or the Quran

    Genesis 1 is soo easy to Debunk, all you have to do is Read the Egyptian Originals, God Masturbated, Air_Water shooted Out, entered the Womb and created Heaven-Earth [Adam means Earth, and Eve means Heaven] - The Only Creation God there is a Phallus, which the Egyptian called "Ben-Ben" or "Ur_Ra" (Allah)

    Dont take my Word for it, the Big Bang was an Orgasm http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-l3KCeKZr-w...am+kenawee.JPG
    http://scotteriology.wordpress.com/2...on-story-ever/

    A True God would be Intelligent and Wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerichoMissile View Post
    Hi guys
    this question has been on my mind for awhile now, and i saw the post about the torah so i thought why not just ask this in a new post so here i goes.


    Now ok to my actual question.

    Who here actually belives in god 100%, because even though i would give my life to israel (which i believe IS the jewish people), im "smart" enough to know about evolution and the darwinian theory.

    Now, who here actually believes god clicked his fingers and the universe was created?, and that earth is only a few thousand years old, because to believe in god one MUST believe in this right?

    Why dosent the torah or bible mention why did god create dinosaurs millions of yrs before humans came along?
    there is 100% scientific evidence of dinosaur bones, so why did god create them, and dosent this prove the world isnt a few thousand yrs old? but billions of yrs old.

    Isnt it hypocritical to say yes im a good jew i believe in god, but i also believe in evolution and that earth is billions of yrs old and not a few thousand like religious leaders and religious books want us to believe.


    Is anyone here an actual rabbi? or very religious?, if yes than to be a rabbi one must believe that god made man in his image right just like that with a click of his fingers right?
    not that we evolved from homo erectus etc...
    so rabbis also believe that earth is a few thousand yrs old as well right?
    even though there are rocks that are billions of yrs old, and dinosaur bones that are hundreds of millions of yrs old.
    but to be a man of god you must not believe in this right?

    not trying to cause trouble here as i do love israel and the jewish people and we should all look after our own people first because thats the most important, even if there is no god.

    any comments good or bad appreciated, thanks.
    Am I allowed to say 120% or even 200%. Yes G-d is REAL and MIGHTY.....Man looks at it in mans mind about how the universe was created. And as you even said we are created in his image, And the woman also in his image and ONE with man. Therefore, if you will, I would like to share a beautiful story of creation that may ease your mind. Keep in mind I do not come from the Holy Land and am not a Rabbi-

    This should be a beautiful story from a woman’s perspective;
    But also look at it from the perspective of the one that creates seed in the woman (THE MAN), takes both to understand. Man and woman are one = both views to understand G-ds view.

    Genesis: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    Here, the seed has been placed. Just as the seed in the woman’s womb chamber is placed by man.
    Now, the seed in the woman is growing to become flesh in the womb. So also look from the seeds perspective that is growing inside the woman. Like the man and woman are one, the baby is now also one with them. SO, look at it from all the views and perspectives. Man, Woman, child. (and remember this growing takes 9 months from seed to full flesh)

    Genesis: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

    Just as the baby is in the womb covered in water right? Here in Genesis it is descibed as the face of the deep. (heard the term 'water has broken')
    And that body in the womb covered by water is kicking and as the child is still forming in the womb it starts screaming and crying and 9 months later,

    Genesis: "Let there be Light".

    So its no secret when G-D says, "Let us make man in our own image"

    G-D Bless

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    http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1...ter/index.html
    "There are some crude and imprecise tests of general relativity at galaxy scales, but we don’t have good predictions for those tests from competing theories," Seljak said.

    Such tests have become important in recent decades because the idea that some unseen mass permeates the universe disturbs some theorists and has spurred them to tweak general relativity to get rid of dark matter. TeVeS, for example, says that acceleration caused by the gravitational force from a body depends not only on the mass of that body, but also on the value of the acceleration caused by gravity.

    The discovery of dark energy, an enigmatic force that is causing the expansion of the universe to accelerate, has led to other theories, such as one dubbed f(R), to explain the expansion without resorting to dark energy.
    I prefer to accept that there is dark energy rather than wish it away. Refered to as Dark because the scientists cant see it. We who know, can, by his mark in every living thing.

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    i was alos wondering, lets say there is a god ok

    rabbis and other men of god always say, there is a god but he dosent CONTROL mans actions, man has a free will be to good or bad right??

    so whats the point of praying?

    if god dosent actually control us, than why do we bother to pray? just for "good luck"?

    in case god goes want to intervene in our daily lives?

    this has so many contradictions.

    we cant have it both ways, you cant say man has a free will and god dosent actually control us, but than on the other hand say, we must pray to gain gods favour etc....

    even if we do get onto gods good side, if he has one that is, its not like he will make our lives better will he? as its up to us to get a good job and make $$$ right?

    if i sit and pray 24/7 for god to give me a good job , he wont will he, as i have to do it myself, so again i say, whats the point of praying if god actually dosent do things for us here on earth anway??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emet View Post
    If there is a God, I don't think he is one and Same, that is Depicted in the Torah or the Quran

    Genesis 1 is soo easy to Debunk, all you have to do is Read the Egyptian Originals, God Masturbated, Air_Water shooted Out, entered the Womb and created Heaven-Earth [Adam means Earth, and Eve means Heaven] - The Only Creation God there is a Phallus, which the Egyptian called "Ben-Ben" or "Ur_Ra" (Allah)

    Dont take my Word for it, the Big Bang was an Orgasm http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-l3KCeKZr-w...am+kenawee.JPG
    http://scotteriology.wordpress.com/2...on-story-ever/

    A True God would be Intelligent and Wise
    It is ok to vary in opinion, but its not ok to belittle the Faith of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerichoMissile View Post
    if i sit and pray 24/7 for god to give me a good job , he wont will he, as i have to do it myself, so again i say, whats the point of praying if god actually dosent do things for us here on earth anway??
    Fair question.
    The answer.
    Its not about the life here on earth, but the one thereafter. A moment in time vs eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerichoMissile View Post
    i was alos wondering, lets say there is a god ok

    rabbis and other men of god always say, there is a god but he dosent CONTROL mans actions, man has a free will be to good or bad right??

    so whats the point of praying?

    if god dosent actually control us, than why do we bother to pray? just for "good luck"?

    in case god goes want to intervene in our daily lives?

    this has so many contradictions.

    we cant have it both ways, you cant say man has a free will and god dosent actually control us, but than on the other hand say, we must pray to gain gods favour etc....

    even if we do get onto gods good side, if he has one that is, its not like he will make our lives better will he? as its up to us to get a good job and make $$$ right?

    if i sit and pray 24/7 for god to give me a good job , he wont will he, as i have to do it myself, so again i say, whats the point of praying if god actually dosent do things for us here on earth anway??
    In short, it is up for US to do our hishtadlut (effort), but only G-d can give the FINAL stamp of approval.
    "Study astronomy and physics if you desire to comprehend the relation between the world and G-d's management of it." - RaMBaM (Maimonides), Guide For The Perplexed

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