who here believes in god?

[ehadahaba]

My thoughts from some points from various posts in this topic:
Who here believes in the devil?
G'd has been the only one to help me in last 3(-14)years, no one else cares/helps/loves.
If we can help our selves we don't need G'd (or one another). Some people are able enough to live without G'd, some of us are not and we have no choice but to seek G-d's help.
Only G'd can tell us what we are/not able to do, not others or ourslves. (re praying to G'd for a job.)
If there is no G'd there is no hope and we are all just victims of hyper-individualism, legalism, rationalism, moralism, materialism, dualism, "competition", fate/chance, etc.

"Eternal life" includes here & now not just there & after.

There are plenty of evidences through out science, history, bible, mythology etc that G'd of Abe, Isaac & Jacob is real, including numerical signatures (eg 7 nitrogenous bases in genetics), etc. (See also Philo.) Plus evolution has lack of proofs and number of out of place artefacts. Dinosaurs were contemporary with early man see my freeweb site page on evolution.

The currrent western world is evolutionist and look at how horrible it is for/to some of us. Evolution is crueler than G'd, "survival of the fittest", "struggle for existence", "natural slection" etc.
Humans and systems through out history have killed, enslaved, persecuted, etc.

Dualism vs non-dualism is a complicated subject. The bible is non-dual &/or dual depending on meaning, view, etc.

nondual:
"in him all things hold together" (outside of him is racism, sexism, etc):

ehad "One/union/united/[yoke/yoga]" value 13 = ahaba/ahava/[agape] "Love" value 13.
- One (ehad) God in 3, God is love;
- One Jesus perfect union of 2 natures
- One "new man" believer "not 2 schizo/dual natures"?
- United/whole heart love God with.
- One church/body all "being One (as we are one)" and Loving, all passed under same cloud and through one sea, communion;
- Agreement [2 or 3 agree/ask/gathered in his name].
- One marriage of man & woman, ("one = equal", versus Adams rule & Eves desire?).

dual:

the occult theory of opposites ("nondualism/antidualism"):
the tree of knowledge of "good and evil".
the adamite nefilim were mingling/occult.
the tower of babel means mixed/confusion.
the iron and clay mixed (Daniel).
lepers have 2 skin colours.

No one wants total evil, but humans want to have good(s) but also some bad(s).

Some times we forget G'd when things are good and only seek him when things bad, some times we turn against G'd when things are bad and only like him when things good.

(A few posts were particularly interesting to me the one by SwPoIrRdIsT, and one mentioning 22+10=32, and the 3 sets of 2.)

Grace,
Yehokhanan.

[dayag]

Just a reminder to all that politeness is required when posting on this forum and religion bashing and proselytizing are not allowed. Thanks.

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[JerichoMissile]

In short, it is up for US to do our hishtadlut (effort), but only G-d can give the FINAL stamp of approval.

so if im smart and study, and an employer gives me a job, it wasent the employer that gave me that great job but "god"??

this god thing and free will really has me very confused.

[farmboy]

Just a reminder to all that politeness is required when posting on this forum and religion bashing and proselytizing are not allowed. Thanks.

from the rules of the road:



source: http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=11

Don't you find though, this topic does have a tendency to drag the looney tunes out of the woodwork and it is so difficult to not have a pop at them.

[Madeline]

so if im smart and study, and an employer gives me a job, it wasent the employer that gave me that great job but "god"??

this god thing and free will really has me very confused.

It is He who gave us brains, right? Without the right brain, you couldn't have studied successfully .

[Aliyah1995]

so if im smart and study, and an employer gives me a job, it wasent the employer that gave me that great job but "god"??

That employer was acting as G-d's shaliach (agent), yes....

this god thing and free will really has me very confused.

As the belief that EVERYTHING in the universe, including human beings is TOTALLY random and by chance has me very confused

[Mjazz]

From news article:

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

Not true. We grow vegetables and raise animals for food. We grow trees for wood. Metal, water, plastic, and other things, are recycled.

[JerichoMissile]

ok , so what if im smart but i chose to use my work for "evil", is that MY choice? or the devils choice?

and what if i chose my brains for evil and i DONT get caught, is that god protecting me?
or is that the devil protecting me?

or is it just good luck??

[farmboy]

ok , so what if im smart but i chose to use my work for "evil", is that MY choice? or the devils choice?

and what if i chose my brains for evil and i DONT get caught, is that god protecting me?
or is that the devil protecting me?

or is it just good luck??

I recon that our spirit/soul becomes part of a huge spiritual tapestry which when complete on this cycle will start creation over again but much larger. When this universe was created it only formed on one plane, like a disk so by my understanding this rules out any big bangs.
From an individuals point of view, if you can imagine that your lifes endeavours will become part of a huge jigsaw, ask yourself do you want to become one of the billion pieces of sky or do you want to be a part that actually means something?

[Mjazz]

the creator of all things... begs the question, who created the creator

God created Time. Because we are stuck in time we think in terms of before and after.
It wasn't until recently that I realized that He created Space, also.
It's easy to picture the Creator living outside of time viewing it as a kind of mural stretched out from beginning to end, but to conceive of an existence outside of space is a lot more difficult.

[Parszaideh]

I did not read alot of the comments made in this thread but whatever we believe in that
1. We must never put aside the facts and reality whatever our beliefs are. To understand "god" (god as in Einstein put it) we must first understand physics and how the universe works. "God" truly is atheist, in ironic way.
2. Although our modern knowledge lacks here and there, does not mean that the original idea was wrong. This is the essence of science. We learn through our mistakes, and we better our technology and knowledge by adding facts, theories and knowledge and discovering more. There are some footprints for example found that researchers believe that belongs to modern man that was walking side by side with dinosaurs.
3. As one sweet woman put it, how can I not know god but still love him?

[Mjazz]

99% of the living (biosphere) has been and always will be bacteria and viruses. For one Adam and one Eve, there has always been 1 trillion e.coli. . To assume that we have a privileged position on this planet is dubious. Theism or not.

I wouldn't exactly use the word "privileged", but, in a sense, we are. Putting aside our bad qualities, of which we are all too familiar, unlike viruses and bacteria, we get to reflect on life, express things in art, music, poetry, horticulture, etc. Here we are exchanging ideas almost instantaneously, in many places, around the globe. If you want to use longevity as a criteria, then the tortoises and redwoods have us beat.

[Mjazz]

I can say that because when I look out of my window and see grass, I see something 'not designed.'

Now that we have the means to do so, however, we can see that grass has been designed. It has DNA, which is a code. Codes don't happen by accident. Not only that, there are enzymes that correct the codes to insure that it is correct. And all the information needed for production is packed into things we call seeds.
Someone on another blog mentioned that I was using the "old argument" that upon finding a Swiss watch, you can tell that it is designed. In a sense that comment is correct, except that I would say it is more like finding a laptop.

[ehadahaba]

saw this on uk christians site not sure if you have seen it before or if wholly/quite relevant here but:

Taoism: **** happens.
Buddhism: If **** happens, it's not really **** [its desire]
Islam: If **** happens, it's the will of Allah.
Protestantism: **** happens because you don't work hard enough.
Judaism: Why does this **** always happen to us?
Hinduism: This **** happened before.
Catholicism: **** happens because you're bad.
Hare Krishna: **** happens rama rama.
T.V. Evangelism: Send more ****
Atheism: No ****
Jehova's Witness: Knock knock, **** happens.
Hedonism: There's nothing like a good **** happening.
Christian Science: **** happens in your mind.
Agnosticism: Maybe **** happens, maybe it doesn't.
Rastafarianism: Let's smoke this ****
Existentialism: What is **** anyway?
Stoicism: This **** doesn't bother me.
christianity: bring your **** to jesus and have it washed away,

i could also add some not offically recognised religions:

cbt: thought -> activating event -> ****
anarchism: (rules and) property is ****
communism: communist [****] is answer to capitalists ****
skepticism: [****] "science/evidence/progress" versus alternative "****" / the doctor will fix your ****.
liberalism: man is naturally/basically not ****
libertarian: state **** shouldn't interfere with our [****]
democracy: majority rules even if it is ****
theosophy: **** is desreved karma from badness in past life
nazism: **** is due to jewish activity.
psychology: we know more about **** than you do / talk "positive" about ****
hyper-individualism: **** is your responsibility/fault
free trade: cheap **** is good for the country.
hollywood: some people are **** by nature/choice.
eugenics: **** is all genetics.
philosophy: wisdom is the answer to ****.
mental health: the origin of **** doesn't matter only dealing with the ****: medication/"help" is the only/best answer to ****
feminism: **** is because of male dominance.
psychic/palm reader: for a # of $ i will tell you about **** that is going to happen &/or how best to avoid **** in seeable future.
astrology: this month taurus will have some **** happen and gemini will find love

hope this isn't offensive to anyone, feel i prob shouldn't post it but ....

[SuperiorEd]

Who here actually belives in god 100%, because even though i would give my life to israel (which i believe IS the jewish people), im "smart" enough to know about evolution and the darwinian theory.

Now, who here actually believes god clicked his fingers and the universe was created?, and that earth is only a few thousand years old, because to believe in god one MUST believe in this right?

Here is how I see it:

Einstein (Jewish) said these are reality: Time, Space, Matter, Energy

God said:

Genesis 1:1
In the Beginning (Time), God created the heavens (Space) and the earth (Matter). Let there be light (Energy).

Quantum physics says that light is a duality of particle and wave. All particles have associated waves. Anyone who knows anything about the Christian Trinity assumes that one God is three parts of the material world. As the Christian tradition goes, God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Regardless of how you see these, consider this:

Father (Light / Prima Material)
The Son, according to John 1, is the Word (Logos)
The Holy Spirit is Consciousness

If God is one, then how can He be viewed as three and as a person apart from idolatry? How do you see yourself? Here is how I see myself from the standpoint of one God:

All light is a duality of particle and wave to create form with function, moving in time. Matter is particle and wave formed by information. The information is the Hebrew letters and represents the Word that is used to bind all physics. The Son is the Word (Wave) that binds all matter. The Holy Spirit is consciousness that animates that matter (God's Spirit).

Now take a look at reality. God is one, yet projects Himself in the Trinity to form reality. We are one person, just like God, but made from the projection of particle and wave with consciousness. We are the Trinity of God here in reality.

How can we view this according to Genesis?

Genesis 1:27

1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Not only are we 'in' the image that God creates from particle, wave and Consciousness, we are also in His image as particle, wave and consciousness. We are able to create as an energetic reflection of Infinity. God is infinity at rest and we are infinity in motion. We collapse the indeterminate wave of infinity by making choices from the 5th dimension of indeterminate possibility. Possibility is indeterminate because we have yet to determine our choices with free will as we bring them into the fourth dimension of movement and time. God's providence represents choices already made as our destiny. Reality is a marriage between the two. We are God's image.

As stated by Paul Dirac's relativistic quantum mechanical wave equation, our universe is parallel to another universe in opposite. Our matter is anti-matter to this mirrored universe. The event horizon between these two universes represents the projection point of both.

Reality is seen from many perspectives. We see the defined elegance and synchronization of mathematics used to create the geometry of form. Related to the mathematics of form, we can also understand that there are fixed laws governing the physics of our precisely tuned universe, allowing for the existence of life. Additionally, we can easily see the inter-connectivity of all these processes bringing an unimaginable ballet of irreducible complexity and regularity. If this were not enough to consider, we also see bio-mechanical life in a myriad of diverse forms and functions, each contributing to the benefit of the whole. Our attempts to describe God's creation will be minimal to say the least.

1 Colossians 1:
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Jesus was the Word. YHVH is LORD in the Bible. Yud, Hey, Vav, Hey. According to the Ancient Hebrew pictographs of early Phoenician, each of these letters represents a ideogram with meaning. This would have been Abrahm's language before the Hey was added to his name, making Abraham and Sarai (Sarah) the pictograph of Hey (Behold a great work). Yud is the pictograph for the hand. Vav is the pictograph for the tent peg. Read YHVH as listed and we see the message: "Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail."

For me, this answers the who of the LORD in Genesis 2 and gives me the 'US' in Genesis 1 (Elohim).

Anyway. That's my view. I wrote an article on this in my blog. LINK