Question about U.N. recognition of Palestine

[Djinn]

As I understand it, Palestinians are seeking unilateral recognition from the United Nations, and are investing heavily in the effort.

But there's a problem that no one has brought up. Specifically, this:

"The United Nations is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize either a State or a Government."

That's quoted straight from the United Nations website. No ambiguity. No room for interpretation.

So what's this effort about? They're asking the United Nations to do something that is clearly outside their authority. I'm not looking for insults or quips here... I want to know if there's some angle that I'm simply not seeing.

[bararallu]

Medio has been saying it for years- why negotiate when you can continue an irredentist program with the help of cynical (or oil economy indentured) countries around the world?

[Djinn]

So what are they aiming for in this case? Before it comes up to a vote, someone will remind all parties involved that "we lack the authority to do this," they all smack their heads, and move on. It hardly seems worth the effort.

[Mediocrates]

Moreover what the Arabs and the hangers one seem to either not realize or not care about is that THAT DAY, Israel will stop everything having to do with Oslo. That means no more Arab day labor in Israel, no more trade, no more tax transfers, and probably a reduction if not a curtailment in infrastructure services.

And if that doesn't hurt them enough, EVERY single regional country with a population of UNRWA blessed 'refugees' will be kicked out to return to their 'homeland'. EVERY ONE and by UNRWA's own tally because of their insane view of the world, that is millions of people. It's not really but it's more than a million in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan alone. That will nearly double the population of their 'state' overnight.

And let's face reality. They can't handle more than 30% of the people they have now. That is everyone on the PA's and Hamas' payroll. The other 70% are left to fend for themselves. They won't even bother to pretend to provide for another million people. At that point Israel must stop blockading Gaza. Most of the traffic will be leaving.

I am also of the mind to stop worrying about the border with Jordan. Make it Jordan's problem. The worst that could happen is there's a mass exodus the OTHER way, into Jordan, a brief civil war, the Kingdom is wiped out and the PA establishes rule there too. It's unlikely but it's the worst that could happen.

[Mediocrates]

So what are they aiming for in this case? Before it comes up to a vote, someone will remind all parties involved that "we lack the authority to do this," they all smack their heads, and move on. It hardly seems worth the effort.

What they are looking for is a new way to continue the stasis while creating one new condition; an internationally recognized excuse for ethnic cleansing. We already have Hamas which is in fact the world's first fully functioning terrorist state which applies terrorism as a legitimately recognized tool of foreign policy. The PA is trying a different tack. They are trying to get the 'world' to accept genocide and ethnic cleansing as a legitimate tool of nation building. You understand it's not about land, it's not even about a state. It's about eventually being given a free hand to commit genocide openly, in public and with the UN's full and cheerful support.

[Djinn]

But they're specifically asking for "U.N. recognition," which the U.N. can't deliver. The crux of their petition will be automatically declined. They might as well be asking McDonald's Corp. for recognition for all it will do.

[Mediocrates]

Doesn't matter. They'll use it in the media and online as 'legitimacy'. It will be parroted a billion times until it becomes fact.

[Djinn]

Doesn't matter. They'll use it in the media and online as 'legitimacy'. It will be parroted a billion times until it becomes fact.

But what will they parrot? That they brought their case to the United Nation, and it failed?

[Mediocrates]

That they're a country. A country that can pogrom Jews from among their midst with complete authority. It doesn't matter what you are it matter what you say you are. After all what are West Bank Arabs today? Nothing. But if you say you are a 'people' long enough people believe you.

[wat0n]

As I understand it, Palestinians are seeking unilateral recognition from the United Nations, and are investing heavily in the effort.

But there's a problem that no one has brought up. Specifically, this:



That's quoted straight from the United Nations website. No ambiguity. No room for interpretation.

So what's this effort about? They're asking the United Nations to do something that is clearly outside their authority. I'm not looking for insults or quips here... I want to know if there's some angle that I'm simply not seeing.

If they become UN members they gain the protection and legitimacy given out by the Article 2 of the UN Charter.

[curlyg]

They're not actually seeking 'recognition' in the usual meaning of that word in international relations/international law.

What they're seeking is for the UN to declare the lawful borders of their state (i.e. they want a UN resolution declaring that the borders of a Palestinian state would be Gaza+WB+East Jerusalem). The idea here is, presumably, to reinforce their demands in negotiations and give them a new level of international legitimacy. The second thing they are asking for is admission as a full member of the UN. The idea here is, presumably, to gain the protection of the UN Charter and gain 'legal subjectivity' as a fully fledged state, though what exactly they want to do with that is not clear.

[Mediocrates]

They're looking for 'statehood' w/o independence.

[Djinn]

In order to petition as one, don't they need a single government?

Update ... I just found this article, which provides some insights.

[Mediocrates]

I think generally speaking all laws, rules, regulations and norms are suspended for the Gaza and YESHA Arabs.

[Palestinian]

Thats right, the UN can not just recognize a state/government. But they CAN have an international vote to see who will recognize the state. In effect, recognition of that state.