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[MGilbert]

I am NOT saying that Jews haven't lived in the land. By the way Hebrews originated from around the South Iraq area NOT Palestine... Now your denying Arab civilization in Palestine by saying they don't have evidence? Are you serious? Arabs have lived as the majority in Palestine for over nearly 1400 years.

Jews RULED in Israel for 500 years combining the Davidic Monarchy and Hasmonean Dynasty. 500 years is a long time for Jews to have ruled in Israel. To place things in context, Jewish rule was equivalent to the great Assyrian and Babylonian Empires combined. Jewish rule lasted 2 and a half times as long as the Persian Empire. Jews are the ONLY People to have established a nation in Israel since ancient times. Were it not for foreign conquests, Israel would be 3000 years old, today

[MGilbert]

Well, actually, for a while Palestine was known as a "Greater" Syria, but denoted as the province of Palestine which distinguished the area West of the Jordan river. It is nothing to do with anti-Israel...

The Arabs first began calling themselves Palestinians in 1967 after the war, before which they were merely Jordanian and Egyptian. Arabs realized they could not defeat Israel militarily so they invented the Palestinians in order to change the narrative from Israel being the David against the Arabs to Israel being the oppressor of the "poor Palestinians" Effective strategy, obviously,but, completely specious.

[MGilbert]

The term Palestine was used for long a long period of time. Even if one is to look at Palestine as a creation of the Europeans, then that really doesn't matter. The fact is that there are and were hundreds of thousands of people living on the land as a majority for nearly 1000 years. To say they don't have any significance to the land is just wrong.

Palestine was invented after WW I, so, it was not used for a long time. The correct historic geographic names of the land were Canaan, and, after, Israel.

There are no references to Palestine in the Hebrew Bible, Christian Bible, Quran nor any ancient historical documents or archaeological artifacts.

[bararallu]

And bararallu said something similar, about Arabs in his Hebrew land... But it looks like his account was deleted, along with his posts. Why did he delete his account?

I asked for my account to be deleted Fakestinian, not because of things I said but because it makes me noxious to share the planet with your kind (= liars and thieves).

[Reffo]

Palestinian

That Khazar canard of yours is a discredited propaganda tool used by Arabs and their sympathisers to try and discredit Jewish claims to our ancestral home land.

What next? Are you going to say that Jews are the descendants of apes and pigs?

[MGilbert]

Umm... so? Nobody is saying that Jews did not live in Palestine/Canaan/Israel. I am just pointing out that Ashkenazi Jews, who make up the largest group of Jews, are more related to Slavic, Khazar people. My point is that the idea of "returning" for Ashkenazi Jews is flawed.

So, Arabs returning to Arabia from Spain after the Spanish kicked them out in the Reconquista are flawed? That logic would mean Americans are flawed, too, given their British and European origins.

[MGilbert]

Palestinian

That Khazar canard of yours is a discredited propaganda tool used by Arabs and their sympathisers to try and discredit Jewish claims to our ancestral home land.

What next? Are you going to say that Jews are the descendants of apes and pigs?

The Quran took care of Jews having descended from apes and pigs.

[MGilbert]

I asked for my account to be deleted Fakestinian, not because of things I said but because it makes me noxious to share the planet with your kind (= liars and thieves).

Why let a so-called Palestinian cause you to fire yourself as a member? They're really not worth it.

[Palestinian]

Jews RULED in Israel for 500 years combining the Davidic Monarchy and Hasmonean Dynasty. 500 years is a long time for Jews to have ruled in Israel. To place things in context, Jewish rule was equivalent to the great Assyrian and Babylonian Empires combined. Jewish rule lasted 2 and a half times as long as the Persian Empire. Jews are the ONLY People to have established a nation in Israel since ancient times. Were it not for foreign conquests, Israel would be 3000 years old, today

Well, the length of the original Jewish rule in Palestine is usually reckoned by them from Saul to the Babylonian captivity. But Saul's early reign had no real sovereignty over the land, which was largely under the control of the Canaanites and Philistines, as it was during the 7 years of David's reign at Hebron before he defeated the Philistines, conquuered Canaan, and took Jerusalem. The extended kingdom of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years. From approximately 1000 BC to about 927 BC. Neither Israel nor Judah had true independence, for both "paid tribute" to one or another outside Great Power, and each owed its continued existence to the protection of that Great Power. After the conquest of the Ten Tribes of Israel by Assyria in 722 BC, the rump kingdom of Judah actually occupied an area of about 50 by 75 miles (not that large) But if we allow the independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David's conquest of Canaan to the wiping out of Judah in 586 BC, then we arrive at a only 414-year Jewish rule.

The Arabs first began calling themselves Palestinians in 1967 after the war, before which they were merely Jordanian and Egyptian. Arabs realized they could not defeat Israel militarily so they invented the Palestinians in order to change the narrative from Israel being the David against the Arabs to Israel being the oppressor of the "poor Palestinians" Effective strategy, obviously,but, completely specious.

Now, this is not true at all. Especially if your saying from 1967. The area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean has for a long part of its history formed the southern part of the land of Canaan. For 2,000 years, it was called Palestine. There is writing dating back to the tenth century, in which calls the land "Filastine". The Arabic word for Palestine.
If you examine the folklore and customs of the people of Palestine, it reveals fascinating stories and facts about their ancient heritage. Take for example, clothing. Palestine has its own traditional fabric and dress designs. Palestinian women's clothes in Jerusalem area featured grapes symbolizing the Jebusite culture. Trees and flowers are more common in northern Palestine and are used in designs. Cedars are found in the dresses of Palestinians in Galilee region of northern Palestine which were common symbols in Phoenician culture. Stars are common in several districts because it was an object of worship amongst the Cro-Magnon and Stone Age people of the region. Now that is just an example to show relationships between ancient civilization and present in the region. The Palestinians didn't just come there "out of nowhere". Reguardless if you believe they don't exist. It all boils down to the fact: Did hundreds of thousands of people live there who categorize themselves as Arabs? Yes or no? And the answer is yes.

I asked for my account to be deleted Fakestinian, not because of things I said but because it makes me noxious to share the planet with your kind (= liars and thieves

It is people with your ideology who are blocking peace.

That Khazar canard of yours is a discredited propaganda tool used by Arabs and their sympathisers to try and discredit Jewish claims to our ancestral home land.

What next? Are you going to say that Jews are the descendants of apes and pigs?

Thats strange, because the tests which prove this are not even concluded by Arabs...

So, Arabs returning to Arabia from Spain after the Spanish kicked them out in the Reconquista are flawed? That logic would mean Americans are flawed, too, given their British and European origins.

Your taking this into complete different situations. I'm saying a people who don't have an origin to the land, can not use the word "return". How does your example of Americans relate to the conversation? Did the Americans go to America because they believed it is their land, and they have origins from there? No they found this land and didn't have a clue it existed once their people founded it for the first time. Hence the reason the term "native-american" is still used today.



By the way please STOP spamming this topic with a bunch of seperate messages. Its backing up all our comments.

[MGilbert]

Well, the length of the original Jewish rule in Palestine is usually reckoned by them from Saul to the Babylonian captivity.

Israel, not Palestine. You've been corrected several times. The Bible mentions Israel 2000 times. Palestine, zero times.

But Saul's early reign had no real sovereignty over the land, which was largely under the control of the Canaanites and Philistines, as it was during the 7 years of David's reign at Hebron before he defeated the Philistines, conquuered Canaan, and took Jerusalem. The extended kingdom of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years. From approximately 1000 BC to about 927 BC.

The Davidic Monarchy lasted from 1000 BCE to 586 BCE.

Neither Israel nor Judah had true independence, for both "paid tribute" to one or another outside Great Power, and each owed its continued existence to the protection of that Great Power.

False.

Historian Sir Martin Gilbert...

For more than 1,600 years, the Jews formed the main settled population of Canaan and Israel. Although often conquered by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Egyptians and Romans, they remained until the Roman conquest the predominant people of the land with long periods of complete independence

Eminent French Archaeologist and Near East historian Andre Lemaire, Directeur d'etudes at the Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, History and Philology Section of the Sorbonne, Specialist in West Semitic epigraphy

David's reign represents a glorious achievement. Seizing the opportunity occasioned by the weakness of Assyria and Egypt, a strong and brilliant personality, joined the houses of Israel and Judah, made Jerusalem the capital of both and used this unfication as the basis of his dominion. With this favorable international situation, David created for a time one of the most important powers in the ancient Near East.

Under Kings David and Solomon, Israel was transformed from a small territory into a larger united kingdom with vassal states subject to it. As the monarchy assumed an international role, other powers to the ancient Near East, such as Phoenicia and Egypt, were required to give due regard to Israel.

[Palestinian]

Israel, not Palestine. You've been corrected several times. The Bible mentions Israel 2000 times. Palestine, zero times.

So what? Those documents you speak of were written by people who denoted the area as Israel. This is because they were written by Hebrews, who renamed the land as they liked.

The Davidic Monarchy lasted from 1000 BCE to 586 BCE.

I have already said this... that is 414 years... Read what I have already said:
Well, the length of the original Jewish rule in Palestine is usually reckoned by them from Saul to the Babylonian captivity. But Saul's early reign had no real sovereignty over the land, which was largely under the control of the Canaanites and Philistines, as it was during the 7 years of David's reign at Hebron before he defeated the Philistines, conquuered Canaan, and took Jerusalem. The extended kingdom of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years. From approximately 1000 BC to about 927 BC. Neither Israel nor Judah had true independence, for both "paid tribute" to one or another outside Great Power, and each owed its continued existence to the protection of that Great Power. After the conquest of the Ten Tribes of Israel by Assyria in 722 BC, the rump kingdom of Judah actually occupied an area of about 50 by 75 miles (not that large) But if we allow the independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David's conquest of Canaan to the wiping out of Judah in 586 BC, then we arrive at a only 414-year Jewish rule.

The Davidic Monarchy lasted from 1000 BCE to 586 BCE.

I have already said this... that is 414 years... Read what I have already said:

Well, the length of the original Jewish rule in Palestine is usually reckoned by them from Saul to the Babylonian captivity. But Saul's early reign had no real sovereignty over the land, which was largely under the control of the Canaanites and Philistines, as it was during the 7 years of David's reign at Hebron before he defeated the Philistines, conquuered Canaan, and took Jerusalem. The extended kingdom of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years. From approximately 1000 BC to about 927 BC. Neither Israel nor Judah had true independence, for both "paid tribute" to one or another outside Great Power, and each owed its continued existence to the protection of that Great Power. After the conquest of the Ten Tribes of Israel by Assyria in 722 BC, the rump kingdom of Judah actually occupied an area of about 50 by 75 miles (not that large) But if we allow the independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David's conquest of Canaan to the wiping out of Judah in 586 BC, then we arrive at a only 414-year Jewish rule.

False.

I was not addressing David and Solomon's reign from 1000-927 BC. And when I said Israel I was talking about the ten-tribes.

[Reffo]

Thats strange, because the tests which prove this are not even concluded by Arabs...

Once again, you are making things up like you did with your claim that the Arabs had private ownership of 88% of the land. As I showed you, without a shadow of a doubt, that claim of yours is a lie.

Your Khazar claims are a lie too. Genetic test showed that Ashkenazi Jews have Middle Eastern origins.

[MGilbert]

So what? Those documents you speak of were written by people who denoted the area as Israel. This is because they were written by Hebrews, who renamed the land as they liked.

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The indigenous residents of a land call that land what they wish. the Israelites called their homeland Israel, not Palestine. Palestine was invented by Roman and British Europeans. We don't call Greece and Rome bhy their Hebrew names, we call Greece and Rome what the Greeks and Romans called their land.

You Arabs have Arabia. The Jews have Israel.

[Palestinian]

The indigenous residents of a land call that land what they wish. the Israelites called their homeland Israel, not Palestine. Palestine was invented by Roman and British Europeans. We don't call Greece and Rome bhy their Hebrew names, we call Greece and Rome what the Greeks and Romans called their land.

You Arabs have Arabia. The Jews have Israel.

Again, the word Palestine is not of English origin. It was first used by the Philistines who actually pre-date the Hebrews in the land. Although the Philistines were not Arab, the word was later used in an Arabic translation of "Filastine".

[MGilbert]

Again, the word Palestine is not of English origin. It was first used by the Philistines who actually pre-date the Hebrews in the land. Although the Philistines were not Arab, the word was later used in an Arabic translation of "Filastine".

False. Palestine is an English word invented by the British based on the Latin Palaestina invented by the Romans. Palestine is not an Arabic word, nor Hebrew, nor any Semitic language.

I have a Master's degree in Near East history from Princeton University, so, I am very familiar with the subject matter