What is a Jew?

[Madeline]

hiding behind lengthy rhetoric instead of a clear-cut definition is really the "iudish-galutian" tradition - cursed be it!
!דיינו
one owes it to himself to know clearly who he is, what his roots are and where he belongs (or does not belong!).

Does anyone? Knowing about one's roots is great, but finding out about oneself is constantly changing, depending on one's circumstances,
right?

[Cellis]

Send a blood sample to national geographic for a dna test. They will tell who you are (:

[farmboy]

My sister managed to trace our ancestry back more than 400 years in England. For some strange reason I feel that ones roots are more important than which religeon you subscribe to.
How could it be possible that I feel influenced more by dead ancestors than a living God?

[dayag]

Send a blood sample to national geographic for a dna test. They will tell who you are (:

They don't use blood samples. You just rub a cotton swab on the inside of your cheek.

[Chris Keller]

Almost all knowledge concerning these very ancient times is very conjectural. However, what we know with a lot of confidence is that the number of Jews in the world during the first century more then doubled, from less than 5 million to around 10. This was due to conversion by Romans. At the peak, the Jews were about 18% of the population of the entire Roman empire.

Also, the idea that in the case of mixed parentage it is the mother that matters, originated only in the 3rd century. Before it was the other way around. In fact you can find in the Bible examples of Jewish heroes marrying non-Jewish women and producing with them legitimate Jewish offspring.

Jewish rebellions crushed by the Roman Empire in Cyprus, Cyrene, and Egypt show that they had a very large population in the Eastern Mediterranean. Perhaps had Christianity and later Islam not been promoted, the Jewish faith might have in fact won over the masses in the Eastern Roman Empire. This would have been a slower process though as the Jewish faith in general did not seek converts. They certainly were also very significant in the Arabian lands to the south-east of the Roman Empire.

[calev dan]

dear madeline,
first, pardon my rude language.

"Does anyone? Knowing about one's roots is great, but finding out about oneself is constantly changing, depending on one's circumstances, right?"

- right! and wrong - it's up to you to decide what you want.
the second part of the definition is: "who keeps true to the Faith and Laws of the Holy Bible (Five Books of Moses), and to the Land of Israel" - is it for you? it's up to you to decide.

i was thought in the soviet navy - well worth were the four years of draft:
make up your mind once and follow! don't dangle like [s***] in an ice hole.

[ShyCharla]

Send a blood sample to national geographic for a dna test. They will tell who you are (:

I had a DNA test done because I have hepitits c, and my doctor did the dna test to see how good my body would respond to the medication treatment he was going to put me on. I was a 4 and it seemed it was very good for the responce to treatment. Its now in remission as its been for years.

[SwPoIrRdIsT]

Seems this is a good question for the Bible itself, They are the apple of his eye you know.

[Emet]

In your eyes, what is a Jew?

For example, do you believe Jewish people are an ethnic group, religious group, or a combination of both?



I won't be questioning anybody's answers, because its rude to criticise the legitimacy of your origins.


I am curious to see what you say, because I have heard many different ideas for this question.



EDIT: Sorry! I just realized I most likely put this in the wrong forum section! I'm just used to posting in this section...
EDIT2: Thanks for putting it in the correct section.

The term "Jew" is derived from "Judea" and also "Judaism" - Jew is Judea, which is Judah, Great-Grandson of Abraham, that means "Abraham" was not a Jew.

In Roman Times, the term "Jew" [Iudaea] was Never a Religious Term, it refers to People that Live in Judea , regardless of Religion, if you Lived in Judea and worshiped Zeus, you still count as a Jew
British is to Britain and Jewish is to Judea, In 135AD, Emperor Hadrian renamed "Judea" to "Syria Palaestine" thus the "Jews" became the "Palestinians" , that means the "Jews" are the "Palestinians", and
now "Foreign People who Follow the Torah" are now Occupying that the land, and they names it "Israel", if they where to restore the "Judea" identity, they should of reverted the name to "Judea"

The Tribe that was "Judah" and the other 11, are "Extinct", they all Spread outwards, interbred with everyone Else, the only way to be 100% Jewish is to Interbreed, and the only people that do such thing, are
the Royal Families, interbreeding Elite - http://www.cai.org/files/images/them...mage001-en.jpg - [Do you really Want Prince William to be King of Israel]

They are 6 Billion People on Earth, if all those Accepted the Jewish Faith, that is 6 Billion People Claiming the Land of Israel - How does that Work Out?

The problem is, people read the Torah incorrectly as Prophetic Literature, instead correctly as Historical Literate, they think Israel is THERE Promised Land, it was ALREADY Promised, and The Kingdom of Israel Appeared, but that is now Dissolved, deceased

The Promised Land is NO MORE, DEAD
And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes: because they obeyed not the voice of the Lord their God, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded and would not hear them, nor do them. (II Kings 18:11-12)

Its Right there in the Book of Kings, there is NO Promise land.

Ignoramus Jews

[farmboy]

Even if the land is no longer promised you have to face the fact that the Jews are still there after 3000 years. If Israel is willing to open its doors to converts then that's also fine because it is their land so they can make the rules.
Arab countries can deny rights to women, gays, people of other denominations etc. etc that's their right. They can also slaughter any citizens who demand a voice to be heard, that also seems to be one of their rights too. Just because Jews are prospering in a land that you believe is no longer promised there is really no need to get so upset.
Live with it. They are, and doing very well indeed.

[Emet]

Even if the land is no longer promised you have to face the fact that the Jews are still there after 3000 years. If Israel is willing to open its doors to converts then that's also fine because it is their land so they can make the rules.
Arab countries can deny rights to women, gays, people of other denominations etc. etc that's their right. They can also slaughter any citizens who demand a voice to be heard, that also seems to be one of their rights too. Just because Jews are prospering in a land that you believe is no longer promised there is really no need to get so upset.
Live with it. They are, and doing very well indeed.

Torah says otherwise

467. Not to steal money stealthily (Leviticus 19:11) 468. The court must implement punitive measures against the thief (Exodus 21:37) 469. Each individual must ensure that his scales and weights are accurate (Leviticus 19:36) 470. Not to commit injustice with scales and weights (Leviticus 19:35) 471. Not to possess inaccurate scales and weights even if they are not for use (Deuteronomy 25:13) 472. Not to move a boundary marker to steal someone's property (Deuteronomy 19:14) 473. Not to kidnap (Exodus 20:13) 474. Not to rob openly (Leviticus 19:13) 474. Not to withhold wages or fail to repay a debt (Leviticus 19:13) 475. Not to covet and scheme[Holocaust] to acquire another's possession (Exodus 20:14) 476. Not to desire another's possession (Deuteronomy 5:18) 477. Return the robbed object or its value (Leviticus 5:23) 478. Not to ignore a lost object (Deuteronomy 22:3) 479. Return the lost object (Deuteronomy 22:1) 480. The court must implement laws against the one who assaults another or damages another's property (Exodus 21:8)

[farmboy]

Not to covet and scheme[Holocaust] to acquire another's possession

Hah, another holocaust denier.
Get back to writing your fiction on a Leftist site. They are more gulible than the people around here.

[Emet]

Hah, another holocaust denier.
Get back to writing your fiction on a Leftist site. They are more gulible than the people around here.

Hah, another Torah Denier

I am not a Holocaust Denier, its like saying you a 9-11 Denier, Hitler was a Catholic, and the term "Nazi" [nasi]
The Romans recognised the nazi as Patriarch of the Jews, and required all Jews to pay him a tax for the upkeep of that office, which ranked highly in the Roman official hierarchy.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...inal-nazis.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasi

Its not the Fault of Ordinary People

[dayag]

Hah, another Torah Denier

I am not a Holocaust Denier, its like saying you a 9-11 Denier, Hitler was a Catholic, and the term "Nazi" [nasi]
The Romans recognised the nazi as Patriarch of the Jews, and required all Jews to pay him a tax for the upkeep of that office, which ranked highly in the Roman official hierarchy.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...inal-nazis.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasi

Its not the Fault of Ordinary People

Nasi is a Hebrew word for Prince, while Nazi is an abbreviation of "National Socialist". There is no connection whatsoever between the two words.

[SwPoIrRdIsT]

The term "Jew" is derived from "Judea" and also "Judaism" - Jew is Judea, which is Judah, Great-Grandson of Abraham, that means "Abraham" was not a Jew.

In Roman Times, the term "Jew" [Iudaea] was Never a Religious Term, it refers to People that Live in Judea , regardless of Religion, if you Lived in Judea and worshiped Zeus, you still count as a Jew
British is to Britain and Jewish is to Judea, In 135AD, Emperor Hadrian renamed "Judea" to "Syria Palaestine" thus the "Jews" became the "Palestinians" , that means the "Jews" are the "Palestinians", and
now "Foreign People who Follow the Torah" are now Occupying that the land, and they names it "Israel", if they where to restore the "Judea" identity, they should of reverted the name to "Judea"

The Tribe that was "Judah" and the other 11, are "Extinct", they all Spread outwards, interbred with everyone Else, the only way to be 100% Jewish is to Interbreed, and the only people that do such thing, are
the Royal Families, interbreeding Elite - http://www.cai.org/files/images/them...mage001-en.jpg - [Do you really Want Prince William to be King of Israel]

They are 6 Billion People on Earth, if all those Accepted the Jewish Faith, that is 6 Billion People Claiming the Land of Israel - How does that Work Out?

The problem is, people read the Torah incorrectly as Prophetic Literature, instead correctly as Historical Literate, they think Israel is THERE Promised Land, it was ALREADY Promised, and The Kingdom of Israel Appeared, but that is now Dissolved, deceased

The Promised Land is NO MORE, DEAD
And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes: because they obeyed not the voice of the Lord their God, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded and would not hear them, nor do them. (II Kings 18:11-12)

Its Right there in the Book of Kings, there is NO Promise land.

Ignoramus Jews

No house of Judah was mostly gentiles, they were only allowed in the courts and not the temple