Israel's Ethical Army: The Best People Is The IDF

[Jako]

Mediocrates: "By far the most dangerous place on Earth for a Jew right now is Israel, so I would say the "Plan" is an abject failure"

"Based on what? Don't you mean the most dangerous place a Jew is permitted to live? even that's not accurate. I'm fairly sure you could go to any large modern city, wear a kippah and get clubbed for your trouble if you wanted."

Based on the fact that more Jews are killed in Israel by terrorists than anywhere else on the planet. Based on the fact that all Israel's neighbours have abiding hatred for them. Based on the fact that without the US as a cashcow for foreign and military aid, Israel would have ceased to exist years ago.

And as to getting clubbed for wearing a kippah in ANY large modern city, that's inaccurate and more than a little paranoid.

JustPat: "It might make it a better representation of global popular opinion, but it is no guarantee that it is the best representation of morality"

I completely agree, but it's the best we have so far.

"When the "refugees" turn facilities into bomb making plants, make their homes boobytraps for those seeking to enforce the law, and harbor known terrorists, they invite their own destruction. Those who encourage such behavior - Arafat, Saddam, and the like - are animals, rabid beasts who need to be put down"

You cast a wide net. All Palestinians are like this? All of them are potential terrorists?

It makes me very very sad to think that the USA wants to import THEIR brand of democracy and freedom to the Arab world. The nature of this “freedom” is on display in Gaza and the West Bank, where Washington’s closest ally subjects more than three-and-a-half million people to a nightmare of death, repression, degradation and poverty.

I suggest they make Palestine "free" before they impose democracy militarily on a hostile populace(which has never ever worked). This will also take care of 95% of Muslim anger directed at them. Seems like simple math.



Jako

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by Jako
Mediocrates: "By far the most dangerous place on Earth for a Jew right now is Israel, so I would say the "Plan" is an abject failure"

"Based on what? Don't you mean the most dangerous place a Jew is permitted to live? even that's not accurate. I'm fairly sure you could go to any large modern city, wear a kippah and get clubbed for your trouble if you wanted."

Based on the fact that more Jews are killed in Israel by terrorists than anywhere else on the planet. Based on the fact that all Israel's neighbours have abiding hatred for them. Based on the fact that without the US as a cashcow for foreign and military aid, Israel would have ceased to exist years ago.

And as to getting clubbed for wearing a kippah in ANY large modern city, that's inaccurate and more than a little paranoid.

JustPat: "It might make it a better representation of global popular opinion, but it is no guarantee that it is the best representation of morality"

I completely agree, but it's the best we have so far.

"When the "refugees" turn facilities into bomb making plants, make their homes boobytraps for those seeking to enforce the law, and harbor known terrorists, they invite their own destruction. Those who encourage such behavior - Arafat, Saddam, and the like - are animals, rabid beasts who need to be put down"

You cast a wide net. All Palestinians are like this? All of them are potential terrorists?

It makes me very very sad to think that the USA wants to import THEIR brand of democracy and freedom to the Arab world. The nature of this “freedom” is on display in Gaza and the West Bank, where Washington’s closest ally subjects more than three-and-a-half million people to a nightmare of death, repression, degradation and poverty.

I suggest they make Palestine "free" before they impose democracy militarily on a hostile populace(which has never ever worked). This will also take care of 95% of Muslim anger directed at them. Seems like simple math.



Jako

You are either short on knowledge, common sense, or both.

Israel was created with no American support and thrived without it for years. But I assume if you hear enough lies over and over, you'd not only repeat them, but actually believe them.

There was terrorism against Jew long before the creation of Israel, so your simple math doesn't add up. Were you thinking algebra? hmmm

[Mediocrates]

Jako -
Statistics are strange things, man. New Orleans has the lowest life expectancy in the US; highest cancer rate, cardiac death rate, lung disease rate. seems like the Big Easy is the most dangerous place on earth for gumbo eating party goers.

At any rate fewer Israelis die by terrorism than by traffic accident. That's not the point either, is it? As far as being surrounded by enemies, compared to what? You and I both know that if Israel were magically transported to Antarctica tomorrow you'd be screaming about the Zionist occupation of the Ross Ice Shelf and those poor oppressed penguinhadists.

[LionOfLoyalty]

Italy, Japan, Germany, are we forgetting something?

Also, as it has just been said, Israel survived '48 and '67, it's two greatest victories, without any outside help. Fairly impressive, no? So as you see your claim that Israel would be gone without american foreign aid is quite incorrect. Stop falling for the Arab's Big Lie.

Originally posted by Jako
I suggest they make Palestine "free" before they impose democracy militarily on a hostile populace(which has never ever worked). This will also take care of 95% of Muslim anger directed at them. Seems like simple math.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Jako
Based on the fact that more Jews are killed in Israel by terrorists than anywhere else on the planet. Based on the fact that all Israel's neighbours have abiding hatred for them. Based on the fact that without the US as a cashcow for foreign and military aid, Israel would have ceased to exist years ago.

Israel is safer for a jew, then anywhere else is because israel's police and army is made up from mainly Jews. Same thing for courts and justace, lawmaking ect... no one will use his state given powers against us, jews. No persecutions by a ragime, no anti semetism in the street, workplace or any other places. We jews are responsible to our own defence. No pogroms, no linches, no falls arrests, no blood libles, no skinheads marches in the middle of our capital, no anti semetic graphity, no attacks on rabbies, no sarcastic antisemetic inuendos in main papers...

as for the number of jews killed so far... although it terrible and an obvious result of Arab racist ongoing hate crimes, it's far better then suffering similar hatecrimes in countries of the diaspora, where we jews are a minority who is forced to trust the "justace" or "policing" of other gentile people, where all rights of selfdefence are reduced or denied all togather (depending on what country we are talking about).

And as to getting clubbed for wearing a kippah in ANY large modern city, that's inaccurate and more than a little paranoid.

I dont agree. Even if it sounds "paranoid", it doesn't make it wrong. But if you do care about accuracy, then you may get clubbed for wearing kippah (jewish skull-cap) in any western city. South east Asia and India are totally free form anti semetism. China's pro-Arab attitude is purly business, nothing
personal about it.


Lastly, about fincial aid to Israel. Personaly, I against it.
We get 3bn US Dollars for military aid following 1979 "peace" treaty with Egypt. The terms of the aid are such that we must use that aid money for purches of US made military hardware. Often, of OVER PRICED INFERIOR technology then the one we have now. The "aid" is less then 3% of our GDP. We can easily live with out that aid and with out the strings attached to it.

In some of Israel worst moments, we had NO american aid of any kind. In the war of independance, when we were UNARMED while the arabs out numbered us and out gun us, the US place embargo. In 1967 we had french made weapons which we purchased or manufactured by ourselves. The US was willing to sell us only obsolite weapons which their place was in junkyards or military museums. We bought them and upgraded them. Best example are the WWII Sherman tanks, that we made use of till early 70's.

The idea that Israel can't exist with out the american aid is a myth. Actualy, America can not exist with out it's jewish scientific, indastrial or finacial back bone. Half the wealth of the USA is generated by Jews, either diractly or indiractly.

Originally posted by Jako You cast a wide net. All Palestinians are like this? All of them are potential terrorists?

Not all arabs are terrorists, and not every arabs is getting killed and his house demolished.

Originally posted by Jako
It makes me very very sad to think that the USA wants to import THEIR brand of democracy and freedom to the Arab world. The nature of this “freedom” is on display in Gaza and the West Bank, where Washington’s closest ally subjects more than three-and-a-half million people to a nightmare of death, repression, degradation and poverty.

These "poor poor" Arabs can always stop terrorism and stop the murder of our children. Then, there will be peace and the Army will pull back from Arab towns and cities. Arabs are responsible for their own actions, and they eat what ever they brewed for themselves. That how the word works....

Originally posted by Jako
I suggest they make Palestine "free" before they impose democracy militarily on a hostile populace(which has never ever worked). This will also take care of 95% of Muslim anger directed at them. Seems like simple math.

Idiotic!
As long as Arab gangsters and terrorists rule, there can never be peace. Terrorist terrorise as long as they live, not only Jews but arabs too. ending the so called occupation will never bring peace, but more death to both sides, since the terrorist (Arafat included) consider the entire state of Israel as "occupaid territory". They keep saying so again and again.

[LionOfLoyalty]

It is only through strength that we can survive, this is what history has taught us, this is what we must do. I wish it was not so, I honestly do, and I wish that there was another way, but after the horrors of the Holocaust and the other campaigns of genocide that have frequently been waged against us, I, and many others, have come to the sad opinion that we can only truly say and mean, "Never Again" if we ourselves can bring the strength to back up that statement. That is why we make the decisions that we do, that is why we fight this fight and that is why we cannot surrender.

Originally posted by Jako
Based on the fact that more Jews are killed in Israel by terrorists than anywhere else on the planet. Based on the fact that all Israel's neighbours have abiding hatred for them. Based on the fact that without the US as a cashcow for foreign and military aid, Israel would have ceased to exist years ago.