UN bid for unilateral "Palestinian" statehood-the many debates

[hanayon]

There are not one, but several different elements - and of course Forum threads - close to the topic of the "Palestinians" making their unilateral bid for "statehood" at the UN.

With this thread, I would like to bring up for consideration - what do people think that the "Palestinians" believe will happen after this unilateral declaration of a "state"?

My personal belief: They expect that they will get the votes in the General Assembly for a "state".

I think there is little doubt that they will. So what will happen afterwards?

If they bring it up to the Security Council, they are liable to meet opposition, if not outright veto. I don't think that either the PLO representative's statement that their "state" will be ethnically cleansed of Jews (Gaza already is, of course), or the Hamas declaration that the new "state" will not do anything to deter those folks in Gaza from keepin' on truckin' to throw all the Jews out of Israel too will go over really well with the SC (see below). So what will happen if the SC vetoes?

And, in large, do the "Palestinians" really think that Israel will be "pressured" to keep providing these spoiled, entitled infants with water, electricity, and back-up medical care after all this - in order to keep some mythical, long-resisted "negotiations" on some burner in Upper Mongolia (or lower Manhatten?)?

In the Middle East, people seldom say what they mean for the press, especially the Arabs. The danger is that sometimes, they really do. The trick is to discern the sabre-rattling and infantile victim-whinery from true intention....

[COLOR="#0000CD"]Abbas: No going back on decision to seek UN recognition

Palestinian president says statehood campaign irreversible, reiterates it does not mean end of Israeli-Palestinian talks but then the "Palestinians" have never been serious about negotiations since they believe that Jews have no business existing in ""Palestine"


PLO ambassador to US: Palestinian state should be free of Jews

Published: 09.14.11, 19:20 / Israel News
share

The Palestine Liberation Organization's ambassador to the United States said Tuesday that any future Palestinian state should be free of Jews, USA Today reported

"After the experience of the last 44 years of military occupation and all the conflict and friction, I think it would be in the best interest of the two people to be separated," Maen Areikat, the PLO ambassador, told reporters. (Ynet)


Hamas official: UN bid 'perilous for resistance movement'

Published: 09.14.11, 09:27 / Israel News
share

Hamas spokesman Salah Bardawil said that the Palestinian Authority's UN bid was "perilous for the resistance movement."

According to Bardawil, "September's plan does not stem from reasonable principles and is part of the negotiation process. If it works, it will cement the Palestinians' recognition of Israel's right to exist." (Elior Levy)

But is anything that an Israeli government official credible any longer? We have from Lieberman with his threats to Barak, as usual, giving up the entire country.....

FM: Unilateral Palestinian moves will have dire results

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman warned Wednesday that a unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state would have "grave consequences."


Israel and its various governments have "shown great generosity towards the Palestinians, but it did not bring peace," he said. "Everything has been taken for granted, not as a good will gestures but as signs of weakness." (Ilana Curiel)

And I'm not quite sure at all what to make of this.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but Modiin I thought is within the Green Line, and also, it's not THAT hard to "connect" a bomb.....

Fake explosive device found at Modi'in bus stop

Published: 09.13.11, 21:35 / Israel News

A dummy explosive device was found at a bus stop on Yehudah Ha'Nasih Street in Modi'in. Police sappers were alerted to the scene.


The device was found when a passerby identified a bag near a telephone booth and bus stop. Sappers found a box inside the bag which contained grenades, firecrackers, electric wiring and a clock, which were not connected to each other. (Yair Altman)

Oh, and one more thing.

If a hoard of thousands of Palestinian "refugees" decide to storm the checkpoints between the new Palestinian state and their alleged "national home" in Israel that they abandoned in 48 or 67, I think they will get a surprise welcome.

[dayag]

A Jordanians opinion:

A unilateral declaration of independence by the Palestinian Authority would achieve little for the Arabs and be little more than "a storm in a cup of coffee," opined Jordanian academic Dr. Rateb Amro, Director General and Founder of the Horizon Center for Studies and Research.

"A unilateral Palestinian declaration would not change the situation on the ground," said Amro at the 11th Conference on Counter-Terrorism at the Inter-Disciplinary Center in Herzliya. "By itself, such a declaration could not bring about the evacuation of the settlements. The same of course goes for East Jerusalem, which the Palestinians would see as their capital."

The recognition of independence would generate a fundamental change in the nature of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, Amro said. "It would become a dispute between two states – an independent Palestine would undoubtedly claim that Israel is occupying its territories." However, he noted, in this it would not be different from Syria, which also makes the same claim.

Moreover, he noted, if Palestine were independent, Israel would have no responsibility for Gaza. "Hence Israel would not be obliged to allow passage between its territories and Palestine's territories – just as [with] Israel and Syria!"

source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/147888

[dayag]

An Israeli Druze Arab to defend Israel:

MK Majallie Whbee (Kadima) has been invited to participate in the 66th session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, and to visit with U.S. government officials in Washington, D.C.

The invitation to Whbee was issued by U.N. Secretary -General Ban Ki-moon due to his position as deputy president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Mediterranean (PAM).

Whbee will meet with senior U.N. and U.S. officials, and said he will attempt to sway them against supporting the PA bid for U.N. recognition as a new country and membership in its ranks. Earlier this year he managed to stop a EUROMED conference from approving a resolution backing the PA's unilateral bid for statehood.

The MK said he will use his rich political experience to defend Israel's position and explain the importance of the peace process.

He added that he will also take the opportunity to warn officials about the full implications of a unilateral declaration by the Palestinian Authority of a independent state.

Whbee was born in Israel in 1954 in the Druze village of Beit Jan. He served in the IDF, where he attained the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. He holds a Bachelors Degree in political science and the history of Islam and the Middle East from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and a Masters Degree in the History of the New Middle East from Haifa University.

The MK has served as a member of the Knesset since January 2003, when he was elected to the parliament as a member of the Likud faction. Whbee has served as deputy prime minsiter, deputy minister of education, culture and sport, and deputy minister of foreign affairs. He later helped found the Kadima party and was re-elected to the Knesset in 2006 under that banner.

source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...9#.TnHyhLio0ZI