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    Would the collapse of the PA be a bad thing?

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/149651
    Palestinian Authority officials are confident Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's decision to freeze tax revenue transfers to Ramallah will be short lived.

    Combined with a now-ended aid freeze of some $200 million in US aid dollars Israel had the ability to force a PA collapse, analysts said, noting senior PA economic advisors' warnings that fiscal ruin was at hand.

    However, according to the PA official Israel will not allow the PA to fall apart fearing Hamas would take its place.
    If the PA was to fall because of the lack of funds to pay its employees and line its own pockets, what would be the most likely outcome?
    Personally I feel that it would be good news all round for Israel. While ever there is a stuffed suit, spewing forth half truths, lies and damn big lies and while ever there are fools gullible enough to swallow it all, Israels credibility will always be called into question. With the PA gone then people will be forced to realise that there is no negotiating partner and never was one. Abu Mazen was/is nothing more than a distraction playing the heads I win tails you lose game to an audience that needed a cause to feel better about itself.
    With Hamas running the show, Israel knows where it stands, the declaration of war has been made , so Israel can defend its citizens accordingly.
    The end of 64 years of whining could be close to over.

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    I would like to think it would be the end of the 64 year whinging fest. This said the, so-called, Palestinians are professional scroungers and many in the west remain blinkered and sucked into their inherent knack for begging and playing the, woe are we, victims.

    I hope you are right, all said!

    Thinking it over, albeit a challenge for me these days; I don't believe the average Palestinian is smart enough to distinguish the difference between the two. Many are illiterate so, likely, will follow whichever way the stench blows. They are a collective of the 'gimme' ilk, possessing little to no individual responsibility or initiative.

    If it wasn't for the Jews and the eventual creation of the State of Israel... the land would be infertile: it takes creative and fertile minds to build a civil society. Palestinians as they like to be called, by and large, have none of these merits.
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    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...sh.aspx/224355
    Palestinian Authority Ambassador to the United Nations Riyad Mansour said that the Western-backed PA will continue its efforts to gain full membership at the international body. Mansour made the statement in response to the UN Security Council committee's announcement that the PA failed to garner the majority necessary to grant it UN membership.

    PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas said Friday while visiting Tunisia that the dismantlement of the PA is out of the question, regardless of what the UN decides
    Abbas may be making the rounds with his begging bowl to make up any shortfalls from the US and Israel. The promises of cash from the arab states were never fulfilled (speechless with shock). Bankruptcy may be the downfall of the PA which would really hinder their aspirations of further undermining Israel in the UN.
    Should we start a fund to help bail them out?
    PM me with your credit card details and PIN if you want to help them

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmboy View Post
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    Abbas may be making the rounds with his begging bowl to make up any shortfalls from the US and Israel. The promises of cash from the arab states were never fulfilled (speechless with shock). Bankruptcy may be the downfall of the PA which would really hinder their aspirations of further undermining Israel in the UN.
    Should we start a fund to help bail them out?
    PM me with your credit card details and PIN if you want to help them
    Begging is the Pal's only forte... check your PM for details... just kidding, Farmboy! Whining and whinging are also on their list of hobbies.

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    I would say that first he will threaten to shut down the PA. Then he will pretend to do it. Of course the PA is more like a criminal gang, it's doesn't dissolve. And the same people would be making the same calls on the EU and the UN and the White House anyhow. All that would change is that Abbas would run around threatening violence and then claim he's not capable of stopping it because there's no more PA.

    If there's no PA then there's no one to send the checks to. That's the axe they need to hold over his head.

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    If there's no PA then there's no one to send the checks to. That's the axe they need to hold over his head
    In effect the PA are east side mobsters running a protection scam. They threaten violence, allowing a little here and there so we know that the threat is real and the world pays.
    The rival mob that controls the west side gets its cash by stealing the UNRWA charity designed to help the locals.
    This is not a nation. it's an episode from the Sopranos.

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    Re: Would the collapse of the PA be a bad thing?

    Surely. The PLO has never been more than a gang. Abbas and his cronies personally own any money generating business. That's been a documented fact for a long time. The PLO owns cement, cell phones, gasoline, cigarettes, building supplies, and a whole host of businesses that people must have. They siphon off as much aid as they can up front, turn the rest into business money and turn around and overcharge everyone to buy their goods and services. And they apply their own taxes on top of it. If the EU were paying the Zetas to smuggle dope into the US they would not be doing anything different than what they do with the PLO.

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    The PLO is undoubtedly a gang of criminals whose sole intent is to embezzle funds meant for their own people. Worse is the fact that Abbas, a self-styled Don, holds any credibility with the Western Democracies. Then again, when seeing some of the dunderheads running these alleged democracies, it isn’t so mind-boggling.

    As Farmboy said; they are the Sopranos of wannabe Palestine, a great comparison. I prefer to offer them zero legitimacy in name and substance.

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    Re: Would the collapse of the PA be a bad thing?

    PA Money to Remain Frozen
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...sh.aspx/224520

    The inner cabinet decided Monday to continue withholding tax money Israel collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority. The decision is a continuation of the policy begun last month, as an Israeli response to the one-sided PA effort to get the UN to recognize an Arab state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

    The refusal to release the funds defies demands by the Quartet, which has urged Israel to forward the money to the PA immediately.
    Thank goodness common sense is prevailing despite pressure from the ones who look for Israels suicide.

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    Re: Would the collapse of the PA be a bad thing?

    If the PA was to fall because of the lack of funds to pay its employees and line its own pockets, what would be the most likely outcome?
    A better question might be: If the PA were to fall because of lack of interest, what would be the outcome?

    This is the key in my opinion. How many Arabs live in peaceful coexistence with Israel? Why are they friends instead of enemies? Because someone, somewhere, loved them enough to show that they cared. Somewhere along the line of the fourth dimension, someone gave them what every person walking wants in this life: love and recognition. In the face of love and friendship, the PA is irrelevant. How can this make place? Suffer. It's that simple. Give and reward follows. Take reward and suffering follows. I can only point you to my previous quote below to find out what I mean.

    Consider these examples. What do you get if you smoke? Cancer. Why? You took a reward and a debt was created. What do you get if you work for a college degree? A job. Why? You suffered (gave) work for reward. There are no exceptions to this rule. Give and you get reward. Take reward and you get suffering. Suffering is the point and not the problem. Suffering must be embraced as the answer. Love must suffer to attract attention from a mate. Love is patient and kind. Suffering every step means reward at every turn. Taking reward leads to suffering. It may make us feel good, but what follows is more of what we currently have in spades.

    Love is the only answer. Give and do not take. Do unto others and reward follows. God approves.

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    This is the key in my opinion. How many Arabs live in peaceful coexistence with Israel? Why are they friends instead of enemies? Because someone, somewhere, loved them enough to show that they cared. Somewhere along the line of the fourth dimension, someone gave them what every person walking wants in this life: love and recognition
    I ask you to read some Jewish history, specifically the years leading up to WW2 in Germany. How many stories have we heard of Germans betraying their Jewish friends out of fear or loyalty to their leaders? All you need is love and a few gas chambers?
    The PA is not irrelevant, it is the best that Israel can hope for as reprisentatives of the arabs, the English speaking version that is.
    Hamas is the darker side and portrays the true attitudes of "Palestinians"
    Neither of these organisations have any love for Israel and if you knew the literature that they provide to schools for their chidren then you will also realise that there will never be peace and love untill these generations are gone.

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    Re: Would the collapse of the PA be a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by farmboy View Post
    I ask you to read some Jewish history, specifically the years leading up to WW2 in Germany. How many stories have we heard of Germans betraying their Jewish friends out of fear or loyalty to their leaders? All you need is love and a few gas chambers?
    The PA is not irrelevant, it is the best that Israel can hope for as reprisentatives of the arabs, the English speaking version that is.
    Hamas is the darker side and portrays the true attitudes of "Palestinians"
    Neither of these organisations have any love for Israel and if you knew the literature that they provide to schools for their chidren then you will also realise that there will never be peace and love untill these generations are gone.
    Very true, yet hate has never been shown to dispel hate. The answer is not to retaliate. Kindness is the key to resolving any issue. I will keep asking this question. Do we trust our own works or do we trust God? The average secular Israelite may not answer this with a hesitation. The truth of the matter is not that easy. All of history bears the work of God leading to these last few short years to the end of the age in 2015. As Christian texts will point out, the last 3.5 years of tribulation will be bad. 2008 marks the start. The Tetrad moons of 2015 mark the end.

    Ezekiel 38 outlines what is going to happen between Israel and Persia/Russia. How is the viewed against the current worldview of most Israelite citizens? Do they pay attention? I can tell you the American perspective. Most of us (Christians) view this as a sure word from God. Even unbelieving Americans are well versed in the coming events of the Bible. It permeates our society from the churches worldview.

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    Very true, yet hate has never been shown to dispel hate.
    Incorrect big time.
    There is not one Tasmanian Aboriginal left in existence.
    BTW. It doesn't impress me, all your quotations from the NT may prove you to be well versed in that kind of literature but if the readers do not share your beliefs then you are quoting fiction and that will not stand up in any argument on here.
    May I also recomend that you read the forum rules regarding proselizing because you may be treading a fine line and I would hate to see you gone.
    Fresh meat is so hard to come by as of late. Mwahahhaahah

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    Incorrect big time.
    There is not one Tasmanian Aboriginal left in existence.
    BTW. It doesn't impress me, all your quotations from the NT may prove you to be well versed in that kind of literature but if the readers do not share your beliefs then you are quoting fiction and that will not stand up in any argument on here.
    May I also recomend that you read the forum rules regarding proselizing because you may be treading a fine line and I would hate to see you gone.
    Fresh meat is so hard to come by as of late. Mwahahhaahah
    We fear most what we don't understand. We can only see a fault in another when we see it in ourselves first. These words here are only a mirror to communicate an image and archetype of what we are each becoming. When you look into a mirror like this thread, you can only see yourself against the reflection. You say quoting fiction because your awareness may not be able to see clearly into the image that I reflect. No matter, this doesn't change my image or the light I may or may not possess. God works out our faith. We can only stand in the way or move aside and follow God's leading on the true path. None of us will see clearly apart from wiping away the smudges on our own reflections. Genesis 1:27 reveals that we are all images.

    My aim is not to proselytizing. I am eager to share what I know from my own walk in this wilderness. Peace comes by loving others. God is one of the others to be loved. Equality is the key. We must treat others the same as we would want to be treated in all situations. Even when our hearts say to retaliate, the truth of God overrides our own worldly wisdom and egos. Pride must be overcome and emotions are the fuel for the flaming sword and consuming fire of God to cut away our own smudges. We will reflect truth when we become truth. This world is a passing lesson only. We are merely passing through. A larger awareness of life is necessary if peace will ever come to all men.

    If I am unable to share freely, then my reflection can only be turned another direction. Either way, I will reflect.

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    You say quoting fiction because your awareness may not be able to see clearly into the image that I reflect.
    I see the image clearly enough despite all the tricks with lights and words. I still have the T shirt somewhere.
    In truth this is a forum to discuss Israel not a forum for spouting Xian rhetoric.
    If I am unable to share freely, then my reflection can only be turned another direction. Either way, I will reflect.
    Fine, take it elswhere then please. I dont visit this forum to read your walls of text.

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