Pentagon determines Ft Hood massacre is not terrorism

[Mediocrates]

Merely workplace violence. Therefore none of the victims will be awarded a Purple Heart.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...awmakers-warn/

From news article:

The witnesses testifying before the joint session include Paul N. Stockton, assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense; Jim Stuteville, U.S. Army senior adviser for counterintelligence operations and liaison to the FBI; Lt. Col. Reid L. Sawyer, director of the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, and Darius Long, whose son, Army Pvt. William Andrew Long, was shot and killed at an Arkansas military recruitment center in 2009.

A second private was also injured in the Arkansas attack. Both victims had just finished basic training and had not been deployed. They were outside the Arkansas recruitment center when the shooter opened fire from a passing truck. The shooter, Carlos Bledsoe, pleaded guilty to the crime earlier this year.

In a letter to the court, Bledsoe said he carried out the attack on behalf of al Qaeda in Yemen -- the group that was behind the last two major plots targeting the U.S. airline industry.

"My faith in government is diminished. It invents euphemisms ... Little Rock is a drive by and Fort Hood is just workplace violence. The truth is denied," Long testified.

[Ziggy]

Obama and his administration have to go - the Republicans unfortunately aren't making the rid the nation of Obama-ism an easy one.
"Workplace Violence"; only the aforementioned inept, steeped in denial, placating the enemy Obama-ites could come up with that one.
This man loathes America, always has and always will... both he and the First Lady. If anyone doubts this as fact, Googling will provide you with many anti-American quotes uttered by both.
Anyone with a sense of integrity concluded long ago the Fort Hood Massacre was a terrorist act in the name of what else, Islam.
Political-correctness and pandering the enemy will one day spell the end of not solely the U.S. but western civilization, as we know it.
I, as are many, am fed up with the woolen-headed leadership of Obama and others who choose denial over truth.

[Pleepleus]

...This man loathes America, always has and always will... both he and the First Lady. If anyone doubts this as fact, Googling will provide you with many anti-American quotes uttered by both...

What a vile accusation. I have never heard anything from either of the Obamas that I thought displayed hatred towards America.

[Ziggy]

What a vile accusation. I have never heard anything from either of the Obamas that I thought displayed hatred towards America.

Each to his/her opinion: I respect your right to believe that which you choose, Pleeplus... vile, I don't believe so - you mentioned in another other thread you didn't believe Obama was anti-Semitic/Israel... I, however, beg to differ. So we disagree; Obama, to me, is not the messiah he was touted to be; the proof is in the puddin'. Cheers!

[Pleepleus]

Each to his/her opinion: I respect your right to believe that which you choose, Pleeplus... vile, I don't believe so - you mentioned in another other thread you didn't believe Obama was anti-Semitic/Israel... I, however, beg to differ. So we disagree; Obama, to me, is not the messiah he was touted to be; the proof is in the puddin'. Cheers!

You differ based on what? You said there are MANY anti-American quotes by them both. This is not a matter of opinion. Either they have made such statements or they haven't. Please, cite a quote where Obama or his wife have declared their hatred towards America.

The worst thing Obama has ever done towards Israel was to ask them to freeze construction in Jewish towns in the West Bank. When Israel said no, nothing was done. Obama has gone on to use our veto in the UN to stop a binding Security Council resolution that would have rendered all Jewish settlements in the West Bank illegal under international law. Also, he has stopped the entry of "Palestine" into the U.N. as a full member. If Obama was truly anti-Israel, both of those resolutions would have passed and Israel would be in a very bad position.

Obama is not the messiah, but he is not the devil either.

[Ziggy]

"We’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear,” we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents. “We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day,” she said, as heads bobbed in the pews. “Folks are just jammed up, and it’s gotten worse over my lifetime. And, doggone it, I’m young. Forty-four!”

This is one from the First Lady... I can dig up more but frankly, no matter what I post you... or I will never agree. Actually, I do not believe Obama is the devil or Michelle, the she-devil nor the antichrist like some folks. Id o, however, compare Obama to Jimmy Carter. This said, Obama, like every president, no matter what his political stripe has used Israel as a political yo-yo.


Obama is a dye-in-the-wool socialist... some say worse. Those of us not socialists see him for what he is and his intent. Others, well, they trust his socialist mandate. The only matter presently that concerns me is his stance on Israel... I see him as a man who unabashedly waves any nation's flag for political expediency. His vote re: so called Palestine was a no brainer... Do you believe he had any other choice in the present American political arena, without becoming a pariah? Now, this is not to say he is alone... such is the state of the political mindset. Consequently, Israel's enemies and so-called allies are at times hard to distinguish - a political fog. That's it on this one... I was lucky to get this off... my computer is having some issues... I bet it's Obama's fault... just kidding!

[Mediocrates]

Obama is a fool who's smarter than the Jewish fools who love him. He wants and need campaign dollars from Jews and day one, literally day one of his lame duck Presidency, he will throw Israel to the wolves. The idiots like Tom Friedman who are little more than paid operatives of the White House at this point will scribble long columns extolling the Great One's brilliance on solving The Jewish Question once and for all.

I except nearly a complete break in all relations between the US and Israel in 2013 shortly after Iran holds a very public nuclear weapons test.

[Ziggy]

I'm glad not to be the only one feeling this way, Mediocrates. He would love to throw us to the wolves personally; as president, for the moment he has to wear a tinny... he is champing at the bit to see Israel left out in the cold, or worse.

[Pleepleus]

You're right, Ziggy. You and I are probably not going to agree. Your parsed quotes did not convince me that Michelle hates America. Complaining about what needs to be fixed is not an expression of hatred towards the country.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all

Also, I have no doubt we have vastly differing definitions of what constitutes a Socialist.

But I am confident that after Obama is reelected in November (and he will be) that he will prove you and Mediocrates wrong by continuing to support Israel and work for peace in the Middle East.

[Kachah]

... after Obama is reelected in November ...he will continue ... work for peace in the Middle East.

And he has already done some work "for peace in th eMiddle east" how?

[Pleepleus]

And he has already done some work "for peace in th eMiddle east" how?

Don't be purposely obtuse, Kachah. You are well aware that the U.S. has been actively trying to get the Palestinians and Israelis to negotiate a peace treaty. Clinton and Bush tried very hard as well. The only reason peace has not been achieved has been Palestinian recalcitrance. Deep down, they do not want peace. They want victory.

[Ziggy]

You're right, Ziggy. You and I are probably not going to agree. Your parsed quotes did not convince me that Michelle hates America. Complaining about what needs to be fixed is not an expression of hatred towards the country.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all

Also, I have no doubt we have vastly differing definitions of what constitutes a Socialist.

But I am confident that after Obama is reelected in November (and he will be) that he will prove you and Mediocrates wrong by continuing to support Israel and work for peace in the Middle East.

You can't prove us wrong, Pleeplus, only Obama can attempt it... but I have little hope. Not to say I hope he succeeds but I stand by my viewpoint is not pro-Israel/Jew.
I am going to comment on Canada is a SOCIALIST-democracy from another thread... Canada is a Socialist-DEMOCRACY. We are far from being like those on the Euro continent, including the woeful UK. Yes, we have universal healthcare but our social safety net does not differ much from the U.S.'s. I hold no problem helping those in need but not the self-entitled collectivists whose anthem is GIMME, GIMME, GIMME.
Presently our government is a conservative majority. Ironically, the heavily populated Jewish area where I live voted conservative... tossing out the 38 year incumbent. Why? It finally dawned on us, that the conservatives (akin to your Republican Party) are stalwart supporters of Israel. This to the chagrin of the two left-wing parties who played hot potato when it came to Israel.
I tink we can agree on one thing, Pleeplus... we both love Israel and support it fully, no matter the differences in our political bent.

[Kachah]

Don't be purposely obtuse, Kachah. .

I am not being obtuse, I am having cognitive dissonance. You are admitting

Deep down, they do not want peace. They want victory.

yet you praise Obama for

actively trying to get the Palestinians and Israelis to negotiate a peace treaty..

Question remains: what is it that Obama has done for PEACE, not for worthless treaties with terrorists and not for his cheap popularity among some unpurposely obtuse people.

[farmboy]

Obama had the power to pul the troops out of Iraq. He has the power to pull the troops out of Afghanistan.
However, he doesn't have the power to pull the Jews out of Israel and I think that this irritates him.

[Pleepleus]

You can't prove us wrong, Pleeplus, only Obama can attempt it... but I have little hope. Not to say I hope he succeeds but I stand by my viewpoint is not pro-Israel/Jew....

I think we can agree on one thing, Pleeplus... we both love Israel and support it fully, no matter the differences in our political bent.

Prove you wrong about what is in Obama's heart? Not likely. I am going to have to let Obama prove you all wrong during this second term.

You are absolutely right, Ziggy. We do both love Israel and support it fully. If you guys can come up with some concrete proof that Obama is anti-Semitic or anti-Israel, I will not vote for him.

I am not being obtuse, I am having cognitive dissonance. You are admitting
yet you praise Obama for
Question remains: what is it that Obama has done for PEACE, not for worthless treaties with terrorists and not for his cheap popularity among some unpurposely obtuse people.

I didn't say you were being obtuse, I said you were being "purposely obtuse." Just because you don't agree with him concerning the efficacy of his actions does not mean he is not working for peace.

Obama had the power to pul the troops out of Iraq. He has the power to pull the troops out of Afghanistan.
However, he doesn't have the power to pull the Jews out of Israel and I think that this irritates him.

He doesn't want to pull the Jews out of Israel, farmboy. Obama is committed to Israel's security.