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    Uri Avnery

    Uri Avnery

    28.9.02


    Manufacturing Anti-Semites


    The first Israeli victim of Saddam Hussein is a Zionist myth on which we were brought up.

    It stated that Israel is a haven for all the Jews in the world. In all the other countries, Jews live in perpetual fear that a cruel persecutor will arise, as happened in Germany. Israel is the safe haven, to which Jews can escape in times of danger. Indeed, this was the purpose of the Founding Fathers when they established the state.

    Now Saddam comes along and proves the opposite. All over the world, Jews live in safety, and only in one place on the planet are they threatened by annihilation: Israel. Here the national parks are prepared for mass-graves, here (pathetic) measures against biological and chemical weapons are prepared. Many people are already planning to escape to the communities in the Diaspora. End of a myth.

    Another Zionist myth died even before that. The Diaspora, so we learned in our youth, creates anti-Semitism. Everywhere the Jews are a minority, and a minority inevitably attracts the hatred of the majority. Only when the Jews gather in the Land of their Forefathers and constitute the majority there, will anti-Semitism disappear throughout the world. Thus spoke Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism.

    Nowadays this myth, too, is giving up its blessed soul. The very opposite is happening: the State of Israel is causing the resurrection of anti-Semitism all over the world, threatening Jews everywhere.

    The Sharon government is a giant laboratory for the growing of the anti-Semitism virus. It exports it to the whole world. Anti-Semitic organizations, which for many years vegetated on the margins of society, rejected and despised, are suddenly growing and flowering. Anti-Semitism, which has hidden itself in shame since World War II, is now riding on a great wave of opposition to Sharon's policy of oppression.

    Sharon's propaganda agents are pouring oil on the flames. Accusing all critics of his policy of being anti-Semites, they brand large communities with this mark. Many good people, who feel no hatred at all towards the Jews, but who detest the persecution of the Palestinians, are now called anti-Semites. Thus the sting is taken out of this word, giving it something approaching respectability.

    The practical upshot: not only does Israel not protect the Jews from anti-Semitism, but quite on the contrary - Israel manufactures and exports the anti-Semitism that threatens Jews around the world.

    For many years, Israel enjoyed the sympathy of most people. It was seen as the state of the holocaust survivors, a small and courageous country defending itself against the repeated assaults of murderous Arabs. Slowly, this image has been replaced by another: a cruel, brutal and colonizing state, oppressing a small and helpless people. The persecuted has become the persecutor, David has turned onto Goliath.

    We Israelis, living in a bubble of self-brain-washing, find it hard to imagine how the world sees us. In many countries, television and newspapers publish daily pictures of Palestinian children throwing stones at monstrous tanks, soldiers harassing women at the checkpoints, despairing old men sitting on the ruins of their demolished homes, soldiers taking aim and shooting children. These soldiers do not look like human beings in uniform - "the neighbor's son" as they look to Israelis, but like robots without faces, armed to the teeth, heads hidden by helmets, bullet-proof vests changing their proportions. People who have seen these photos dozens and hundreds of times start to see the Israel in this image.

    For Jews, this creates a dangerous vicious circle. Sharon's actions create repulsion and opposition throughout the world. These reinforce anti-Semitism. Faced with this danger, Jewish organizations are pushed into defending Israel and giving it unqualified support. This support enables the anti-Semites to attack not only the government of Israel, but the local Jews, too. And so on.

    In Europe, Jews already feel the pressure. But in the United States, they still feel supremely self-confident. In Europe, Jews have learned over the centuries that it is not wise to be too conspicuous and to display their wealth and influence. But in America, the very opposite is happening: the Jewish establishment is practically straining to prove that it controls the country.

    Every few years, the Jewish lobby "eliminates" an American politician who does not support the Israeli government unconditionally. This is not done secretly, behind the scenes, but as a public "execution". Just now this was done to the black Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, a young, active, intelligent and very sympathetic woman. She has dared to criticize the Sharon government, support Palestinians and (worst of all) Israeli and Jewish peace groups. The Jewish establishment found a counter-candidate, a practically unknown black woman, injected huge sums into the campaign and defeated Cynthia.

    All this happened in the open, with fanfares, to make a public example - so that every Senator and Congressperson would know that criticizing Sharon is tantamount to political suicide.

    Now this is repeated in a big way. The pro-Israel lobby - which consists of Jews and extreme right-wing Christian fundamentalists - is pushing the American administration to start a war. This, too, openly, in full view of the American public. Dozens of articles in the important newspapers point this out as a plain political fact.

    What will happen if the war ends in failure? If it has unexpected negative results and many young Americans die? If the American public turns against it, as happened during the Vietnam War? One can easily imagine a whispering campaign starting: "The Jews have pushed us into this," "The Jews support Israel more than they support America," and, finally, "The Jews control our country."

    Furthermore, Sharon may sooner or later bring about a revolution in the Arab world. This will be a disaster for American interests. American Jews, now completely identified with Israel, will be blamed.

    Anyhow, the conspicuousness of the Jews in the United States, especially in the media, and their disproportionate influence over the Congress and the White House, can backfire one of these days.

    Of course, the special political culture of the United States encourages such phenomena - but that was also true in Spain of the "Golden Age" and the Weimar republic in Germany. History does not have to repeat itself, but neither should one disregard its lessons.

    There are people in Israel people who secretly wish for the victory of anti-Semitism everywhere. That would confirm another Zionist myth on which we were brought up: that Jews will not be able to live anywhere but in Israel, because anti-Semitism is bound to triumph everywhere. But the United States is not France or Argentina, it plays a critical role in the Middle East. Israel's national security, as established by all Israeli governments since Ben-Gurion, is based on the total support of the United States - military, political and economic.

    If I were asked for advice, I would counsel the Jewish communities throughout the world as follows: break out of the vicious circle. Disarm the anti-Semites. Break the habit of automatic identification with everything our governments do. Let your conscience speak out. Return to the traditional Jewish values of "That which is altogether just shalt thou follow!" (Deuteronomy 16,20) and "Seek peace and pursue it!" (Psalms 34, 14). Identify yourselves with the Other Israel, which is struggling to uphold these values at home.

    All over the world, new Jewish groups that follow this way are multiplying. They break yet another myth: the duty of Jews everywhere to subordinate themselves to the edicts of our government.

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    Originally posted by takeo
    Uri Avnery

    28.9.02


    Manufacturing Anti-Semites


    The first Israeli victim of Saddam Hussein is a Zionist myth on which we were brought up.

    It stated that Israel is a haven for all the Jews in the world. In all the other countries, Jews live in perpetual fear that a cruel persecutor will arise, as happened in Germany. Israel is the safe haven, to which Jews can escape in times of danger. Indeed, this was the purpose of the Founding Fathers when they established the state.

    Now Saddam comes along and proves the opposite. All over the world, Jews live in safety, and only in one place on the planet are they threatened by annihilation: Israel. .


    Anti-Semitism in France
    January, 20 2002
    The wave of anti-Semitism sweeping through France has triggered mounting concerns about the safety and welfare of Western Europe's largest Jewish community. Though a surge in violent attacks against Jewish schools and synagogues in recent months has elicited the usual condemnations of anti-Semitism from French politicians, it seems that France's government has yet to recognize the seriousness of the problem or take appropriate measures to counter it. While no one, fortunately, has been killed in any of the anti-Jewish assaults, it is time for France to take bolder action to stem this ominous and growing phenomenon.

    Home to the third-largest Jewish community in the Diaspora, France has some 600,000 Jews who span the religious and political spectrum and are outspoken in their support for Israel. Paris is known for its vibrant Jewish cultural life, and is said to boast more kosher restaurants than any other city outside of Israel. But despite the active and visible role played by many Jews in France's intellectual and public life, the age-old specter of anti-Semitism has found fertile ground upon which to rear its ugly head.

    According to Deputy Foreign Minister Michael Melchior, there were 320 anti-Semitic incidents in France in 2001, or nearly one every day. In the first week of this year, there were three violent anti-Semitic attacks alone in France, including an assault on a synagogue in the Paris suburb of Goussainville, where a gang of thugs hurled rocks and firebombs, smashing the synagogue's windows and damaging the building. On December 30, vandals attacked Otzar Hatorah, a Jewish school in the southeastern Paris suburb of Creteil, with firebombs, two of which exploded and caused extensive damage to several classrooms. This incident came just two months after a Jewish elementary school in the southern city of Marseilles was attacked by arsonists, who burned down part of the school and then left graffiti reading "Death to the Jews."

    No less worrisome was the flap that erupted in late December, after it was revealed that the French ambassador to England, Daniel Bernard, made openly anti-Semitic remarks at a dinner party in London. In a column published in the December 17 Daily Telegraph, Barbara Amiel noted that the ambassador of a major European country - later identified as France - "politely told a gathering at my home that the current troubles in the world were all because of 'that ty little country Israel.' " Ambassador Bernard, according to Amiel, went on to wonder, "Why should the world be in danger of World War III because of those people?"

    That a senior French diplomat would be willing to make such undiplomatic comments is shocking in itself. But what is even more distressing is the reaction of the French government to the entire affair. Rather than immediately dismissing Bernard from his post, as was most assuredly warranted by his despicable remarks, the French chose to defend him, refusing to terminate his employment. It is perhaps little wonder, then, that Melchior rightly labeled France "the worst Western country concerning anti-Semitism" in a recent interview with the French daily Le Monde.

    It is time for French society, as well as the French government, to take a far bolder and more vigorous stance against anti-Jewish hatred and discrimination. It was just six decades ago that France's collaborationist Vichy regime, headed by Marshal Petain, enthusiastically took part in rounding up French Jews and turning them over to the Nazis. Some 110,000 French Jews were murdered by the Germans, a number that would have been far lower had it not been for the shameful manner in which the French authorities and police cooperated with Hitler's Final Solution. While that ignominious stain on France's record will never be removed nor forgotten, it nevertheless behooves the French government to act quickly and with determination to stamp out any future manifestations of anti-Semitism.

    At a meeting on January 6 with representatives of various religious groups, French President Jacques Chirac reportedly "expressed his sharp denunciation of every act of anti-Semitism and... said that these phenomena contradict the principles of the Republic," according to his spokesman. Such statements are certainly welcome, but they must also be backed up with deeds, such as providing greater security for Jewish institutions and launching a crackdown on extremist groups.

    Not surprisingly, the ominous threat of rising anti-Semitism has sparked greater interest in aliya among France's Jews. The government and the Jewish Agency are to be commended for their recent decision to grant increased benefits to Jews making aliya from France, a step that will hopefully serve to boost the number of French immigrants. In 2001, some 1,200 French Jews emigrated to Israel, a 20 percent drop from the previous year. The government and the Jewish Agency must therefore redouble their efforts in this regard, and do more to convince French Jewry that Israel awaits them with open arms. For as comfortable as life might be along the Riviera or in the arrondissements of Paris, it is time for the Jews of France - like their brethren in Argentina, Russia, and elsewhere - to come home.

    ©2001 - Jerusalem Post

    But what can you expect from the country that were collaborators with the Nazis in WWII.
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    please keep to the subject of this treat, in stead of posting anti-french racist garbage lies, that have been reposted and discussed on this site a million times.

    i didn't wrote the text, uri avnery did, who is a bright intellectual Jewish israeli himself, if you would have any knowledge of israel you would know him.

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    Originally posted by takeo
    please keep to the subject of this treat, in stead of posting anti-french racist garbage lies, that have been reposted and discussed on this site a million times.

    i didn't wrote the text, uri avnery did, who is a bright intellectual Jewish israeli himself, if you would have any knowledge of israel you would know him.
    He was wrong about Jews not being persecuted outside of Israel as it is well documented about the terror in France.
    Last edited by Rob; 12-23-2002 at 10:11 AM.

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    so what's tak's point? that he found another 'jew' as debased as himself?

    Congrats, you two deserve each other. The only question is who is quoting who.

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    i think it makes no sence arguing with uneducated insane extremists calling people "garbage", "traitors"etc.

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    Blame the victim, antisemitism explodes because Jews dare to point out that it exists. yadda yadda

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    Originally posted by takeo
    i think it makes no sence arguing with uneducated insane extremists calling people "garbage", "traitors"etc.
    Arguing is the right term for what you are here for. Your motives are clear. Why should you be treated with any respect when you are only here to argue?

    Maybe you should go back to your marxist studies.

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    Well, as someone who does not know who Uri is:

    I can agree with some of what he says. But he seems to blame everything on Sharon, or more likely, conservatism. This Uri is probably a Lefty who thinks that a piece of paper signed by Arafat will lead to "peace in our time."

    It is true that countless picture coming out of the west bank of little kids throwing rocks is not conducive to Israel's success. Which is why I argue that until Israel decides it is at war with the PA it will die a death of a thousand cuts.

    It is probably true that if we lose thousands in Iraq that some will say that Israel "pushed" us into the war. Israel definately wants us to have a war with Iraq; and Israel's spokesmen in the States are on TV every night...but it is something we need to do anyway. We both have interests in destroying/changing Iraq. So I support the war and Israel's helping us in that war.

    I agree that in America certain politicians are "eliminated" or destroyed by the Jewish lobby. That is a fact. Although I did enjoy watching McKinney lose. Alright...I REALLY enjoyed watching her lose

    So, while many of Uri's "facts" are correct, his overall message is faulty and suicidal for Israel. Israel will not be loved by the world. It will can however, be feared by its enemies and respected by the neutral countries. Under the leadership of the kind that Uri probably likes, Israel is no longer feared.

    Unfortunately, I believe that Israel is too divided to prevail. We see the division in this country also. I image it is even worse over in Israel as they have reality in front of them every day. Over here we can pontificate with no fear (at least until 911) Things "matter" over there.

    Good try Takeo. But I think Ms. Uri et une socialist avec une agenda. (tortured French)

    --By the way Takeo. For years I have heard that all Frenchmen are rude, obnoxious and haughty....especailly in Paris. My wife, daughter and I visited Paris, the Loire valley and Normandy two years ago. Before hand I spent 6 months studying French and started every conversation in French...even though they could tell I was an American a mile away. I did not meet one rude Frenchman, and had a wonderful time. What a beautiful country.

    France has so much to offer. I hope it does not buy totally into the Arab philosophy. There are reasons to support Israel you know. Israel is closer to what the French believe in than the Arab "nations."

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    i have to admit that i admire the man for his courage, for advocating his opinion in those times of oppression and intolerance in Israel. one day or another the fascist israeli government will shut his mouth and impose a censorship, because his words are embarrasing and exposing the lies of the government propaganda.
    Yes, it is important that he is a Jew, because it means that many Jewish people will listen to his words. As it is important that Salman rushdy was a muslim, which infuriated even more the extremists (as in this case too)

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    takeo
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    ok, a more comprehensive view.
    keep studiing French (not that my english is any good of course)


    yes the us will loose 1000's in iraq, because it will be a war won or lost in the cities.
    This war is totally unnecessary, Saddam is not a threat to the us-security.

    Even a leader as proposed by Uri Avnery can be strong, peace BUT with a strong message to anyone trying to abuse it for israel's destruction.

    France will not fall into the "Arab" ideology...
    Yes, israel culture is possibly closer to the french culture than the Arabs... we also have the largest Jewish minority in Europe.
    but israel's policy does not correspond to our interests and values. Israel must act according to international law or face condemnation. As well as Turkey and morocco by the way.

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    Originally posted by takeo ......This war is totally unnecessary, Saddam is not a threat to the us-security.
    Saddam is threat to WORLD security!

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    why?
    He is cooperating with the un-inspectors, who can controll WMD anywhere in iraq, iraqi neighbours do not feel threatened, they have rejected a us-aggression. I don't think North Korea would allow any similar...
    rather the us is threat to world-security.

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    Originally posted by takeo
    why?
    He is cooperating with the un-inspectors, who can controll WMD anywhere in iraq, iraqi neighbours do not feel threatened, they have rejected a us-aggression. I don't think North Korea would allow any similar...
    rather the us is threat to world-security.
    I am not impressed with what YOU believe the world situation to be. The only reason that I even insert replies in your threads is in order to address third parties.

    For you to say that Saddam ever "cooperated" with anyone making demands of him stretches all credulity to the breaking point.
    Last edited by MichaelC; 12-22-2002 at 10:39 PM.

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    Takeo:

    Do you think France supports the Arabs so strongly because America supports Israel? In other words, to be opposed to America? I can see De Gaulle doing that with mucho gusto (spanish not french...I know)

    Is France upset because Saddam is a good customer of French products...and are your leaders are afraid that America will get the new post-war business? Or is there a moral reason behind your opposition to the war? Perhaps there is also a belief that the Anglo-Americans are trying to take over the world...the world that rightly belongs to L'France??

    It is late here in Salt Lake City...but tomorrow I will better explain why Saddam is a threat to the West. I can understand why you do not think so. But there are some things going on that you may not be aware of.

    We are not attacking Iraq (and Iran next) to save Israel. Israel could end the Iraqi problem as soon as the first missile from Iraq hits Israel....they could nuke Iraq into non-existence. We have been holding them back to some extent. There are mutual reasons why we both want Saddam out however. And the Israelis, for obvious reasons, would rather the US get rid of Saddam.

    I will get into that tomorrow.

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