Uri Avnery

[takeo]

I gave you a link about those UN resolutions which you chose not to look at.

The UN is far from a model organization. Most member states are undemocratic. Giving dictatorships democratic votes in a world body is one of the absurd ideas that has been seen by humankind. The negative impact is immeasurable, which is why the process continues until today. The idea behind the United Nations is a good one, but it doesn't work when member states don't uphold the democratic process that is used in the system!

sorry, haven't got the time to read the article you provided, perhaps in the coming days... (however after a quick look, looks like the same things we have discussed here over and over again)

all countries are represented in the un, leaving out undemocratic countries (and who'll decide who's democratic and who isn't?) would mean that more than half of the world wouldn't be represented, making the un nothing more than another organisation representing representing the western rich world.

To accuse Israel of "terror" against pals is obscene. You never hold the savages responsible for anything. It is why no one here can take your views seriously.

Do you really think it's ok for the pals to murder women and kids having their lunch, and babies in their beds? I never see you taking them to task for that and I cannot figure out how it is that you can rationalize such murder in your own mind to the extent that you do give them a pass on it.

Soldiers defending their people against animals who target women, children, and senior citizens are doing what I would do and are right to use any measure whatever to effect that defense. The inventors of homicide bombing deserve a merciless retribution and the puling approbation of ignorant schoolboys concerning such behavior sickens me.

You justify the very worst behavior in the human species Takeo while thinking that you are in possession of some profound insight on the matter.

violence and terror against civilians on one side does not legitimate the same on the other side. israeli soldiers do not only target terrorists but also people who have never carried out any military action against israel and certainly not against civilians, by bulldozering houses, sometimes with the inhabitants still inside as in jenin, curfews, killing children throwing stones to the occupation army, bombing palestinian refugeecamps from the air (not a very good tactic to target terrorists!)

[takeo]

interesting text medio, so if we both agree that international law is being abused, certainly by the Israeli and American side, but by the other side as well, for its own purposes and interests. OK, this cuts the .

It's always difficult to argue about exact numbers, the veracity of opinion polls, etc. What I wanted to point out is that none of this constitutes "the whole Europe". And don't forget that the Iraqi and Israeli issues aren't one and the same.

ok, that's right. But still it is safe to say that the majority of Europeans do not support the current israeli policy nor the current US-policy towards Iraq.

givaty

your events amased me and i can assure you i never have experienced anything similar in France myself. The only anti-semitic actions here are conducted by Arabs and entirely related to the volatile situation in the middle East.


you won't tell me that israel is currently a safe and ideal country to live in? PLEASE!!!
It COULD have been or still become a nice country to live in, but in that case it needs to come at terms with its neighbours and with its own arab minority.

[Mediocrates]

interesting text medio, so if we both agree that international law is being abused, certainly by the Israeli and American side, but by the other side as well, for its own purposes and interests. OK, this cuts the .



No you're not getting it, let's try again. The waging of 'legal' warfare is that set of actions that establish certain rulings, laws, sanctions, condemnations in the international forum to further one's national aims under the cloak of jurisprudence.

[takeo]

ok, so what you are trying to say is that we should all stick to international rules, for our own protection?
OK, but how does that fit in your latest opinion that the international law can be ignored if necessary?

[Mediocrates]

You never heard of a bad law? Look at my location - aren't we all southern cracker redneck Jim Crow segregationists?