The Arab Spring and 'Liberal' Western Pundits ...

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A great article

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...oderate-egypt/

Yes, , I am thinking about the Middle East and the latest mix-up by the experts - their assessment just a few months ago of the nature of the Arab Spring and its democracy movement. Back in the spring, leading experts - from the Obama administration to the neoconservatives on the right to the major liberal media to most of the academic area specialists - were overwhelmingly predicting that all those great secular, liberal, college-educated kids with their iPhones in Tahrir Square represented the new Egypt and would bring all their wonderful values to the revolution

Well, that’s a relief. I suppose the Brotherhood also has no more territorial demands. Oh, wait a moment. Mr. Diehl notes that the Brotherhood’s platform does say that Egypt should “aid and support the Palestinian people and Palestinian resistance against the Zionist usurpers of their homeland.” So, I guess, after they kill all the Jews, they will stop practicing violence. Of course, even then there will be the little matter of the Brotherhood’s credo: “God is our objective; the Koran is our constitution; the prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations.” But it’s OK. That is the moderate wing of the upcoming Egyptian parliament

Meanwhile, this is how Lisa Goldman, that "wise woman" of of +972 sees things ...

Egypt's Election Results are None of Israel's Business
Outsiders who wish for a return of the dictators are pushing against the inevitable tide of history. And Israelis who express a preference for Mubarak only contribute to the perception, widely held in Egypt, that the dictator was able to survive because he was supported by ‘the Zionists.’

I wonder if she will still say that after Egypt's new dictators will declare war on Israel again.

[Mediocrates]

I wonder if she will still say that after Egypt's new dictators will declare war on Israel again.

Yes of course she will declare that a good thing. From the comforts of her seaside cafe in Tel Aviv, bombarded Jews in Sderot, Beersheba, Eilat, Ashod and Ashkelon are always a good thing. Would you expect anything else? Eventually someone will set off a chemical weapon in Israel or a dirty bomb and Lisa Goodman and all the other Lisa Goodmans will cheer. They will literally cheer. Of course they will. Their paradise is an Israel-No-More. An Israel with no Jews except the ones they let in to spend their vacation money on the Sharia compliant beaches and restaurants. Lisa Goodmans Jewish Paradise is Yemen or Jordan.

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Medio

Unfortunately you are right. The Lisas of this world hang out for every syllable and utterance coming out of the Arab world. When they get a response, they profusely thank them and make the Arab position their own a bit like "water seeks its own level".

[farmboy]

The Lisas of this world are usually middle aged and fell out of the ugly tree, hitting every branch on the way down. They have been rejected by the males of their society so they become vindictive and will join any group or organisation to bring them down.
Bunny boilers the lot of them.

[Aliyah1995]

Reffo, did you this BS by Lisa Goldman on 972?

http://972mag.com/egypts-election-re...usiness/33574/

So maybe she and her ilk should take her own advice and stay out of Israel's election results. After all, Lisa Goldman went back to Canada (good riddance!!!!), so maybe now she should keep her nose out of Israel's business.

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Aliyah

That's the article that I was referring to.

The reason why the Lisa's of this world won't stay out of Israel's business is because bashing Israel is the only way they can get kudos from at least some, the haters of Israel. Without Israel as their personal punching bag, their lives would be too insignificant and no one would take so much as a second glance at them. And they are deadly scared of their own insignificance.

[Ziggy]

Aliyah

That's the article that I was referring to.

The reason why the Lisa's of this world won't stay out of Israel's business is because bashing Israel is the only way they can get kudos from at least some, the haters of Israel. Without Israel as their personal punching bag, their lives would be too insignificant and no one would take so much as a second glance at them. And they are deadly scared of their own insignificance.

Well said, Reffo... this perfidious ilk lives are meaningless; hence, Israel-bashing supposedly gives their otherwise mediocre existence, purpose. To think she comes from Canada, to boot... G-d help us!!!

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Ziggy

Well, it's not Canada's fault, just as much as it's not the Jewish people's fault that we have our own home grown idiots and narcissists who are willing to feed their own kind to our enemies for the sake of their own selfish glorification.

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A guy by the name of Steve wrote the following post in response to Lisa's mindless ravings on her blog on +972

Yes, Egypt’s elections are certainly Israel’s business. Israel is next door to Egypt, so obviously the entire premise of this article is absurd. Furthermore, Israel received war from Egypt in the past, so of course they have ever right to be concerned. And as for the accusation that “Israel likes Arab dictators,” that’s just silly nonsense that Israel-haters claim. Most Arab dictators hate Israel. Only two of them had peace agreements with Israel. Israel didn’t “like” those two dictators because they were dictators. Israel likes people who want peace with Israel. Israel wants peace with its neighbors. If crazed radicals rule Egypt and they want peace with Israel, Israel will return the peace. It doesn’t mean that Israel likes crazed radicals. But that’s the sort of dishonest, backwards logic that Israel-bashers like to use

I simply had to copy it here because what he says is so true! Thank you Steve, keep up your good work. That site can use a bit of your common sense and sanity. Personally, I refuse to post there anymore. I must admit, they got to me. They are just too much.

[Aliyah1995]

I wouldn't say they "got to me", but as much as I love my kids and enjoy reading to my kids I can only read so many kids' books before calling it a day. How much more so for those who are NOT my kids.

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Aliyah

Unfortunately I have a weak stomach. There is only so much one sided monotonic anti Israel stuff that I can stomach ... There are only so many distortions and outright lies that I can stomach (that Herzl quote was a doozie) and the guy who posted it had the gall to inform me cheerfully that I did my homework when I pointed out how Edward Said abused the integrity of that quote. It is obvious that the poster was aware of it too, yet he posted it. There is only so much of that which I can stomach. And what about that dizzy dame Ayla? She forever kisses the feet of any Arab poster who visits the site and launches an anti Israel diatribe. She actually thanks them for it and fawns over them. I am sorry, but there is only so much of that which I can stomach too before I feel the need to unload. Especially since most of that lot seem to clamour for the bi-national state no matter how one points out with un-challengable logic that it is at the least is extremely risky and at worst it is suicidal.

And I notice lately that two of the bloggers (Gurwitz and Zonenstein) adopted the term 'Israel-firster'. I find it nauseating that two Israelis use that term as if it was something dirty and shameful about being an 'Israel-firster'.
I really can't stomach such attitudes any more.

[Aliyah1995]

Maybe we should start our own forum "972ptsd.org"

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Alyah

I just need to get over them and get them out of my system, then move on. In that vein, I forgot to mention their reflexive denial of history. The person called SH, who is also supposedly Israeli, had the gall to ask me for a source when I listed the organised attacks against Jews during the Arab revolt of the 1930s. Any respectable history book verifies all the events that I listed yet she pretended that it is somehow an obscure event or a figment of my imagination. And that Greg Pollock too turned out to be a disappointment. At one stage I thought he was a bit more normal but towards the end he started comparing what Israel does to the Jim Crowe era. I don't know how he can make such an analogy. Perhaps I am not aware that the African American population declared war on Americans of European descent ? (NOT!!!). Or that they strapped bombs onto themselves and blew themselves up just to kill other Americans ? (NOT!!!!). The comparison of course is outrageous!!! The Jim Crowe era was motivated by racism while Israel's actions are motivated by security considerations. That of course is not to deny that racism does not exist in Israel (as it exists everywhere where humans live) but the state's actions are motivated by security considerations NOT racism. All that falls on deaf ears over there because they simply are mentally predisposed to want to believe the WORST about Israel. There is only so much of that bias that I could stomach before telling them what I thought of them.

[Aliyah1995]

Another thing I like is how they refer to someone like Ben Israel who has been living in Israel for 25 years or myself, for 17 years, as "the immigrant from America", yet columnists like Mya (forgot her last name) or Mairav Zonenstein, who are more recent arrivals than myself present themselves as "Israeli journalists". In other words, if your politics jive with the far-left, then you are an "Israeli" the day you get your teudat zehut, but if not, then you can be living here for 50 years and your kids and grandchildren can all be born here, but you are still that "American immigrant" who obviously knows nothing about what is going on here.

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Aliyah

I don't want to appear to be a conspiracy theorist but doesn't it strike you as odd that so many of the +972 journalists are actually Americans? I mean, I find people like you and Ben Israel making Aliyah and being pro Israel, totally consistent. But why would those +972 journos who seem to be so critical of Israel (to the point of hatred) decide to make Aliyah? Would you leave your country of birth and immigrate to a country that you are so critical of, while insisting all along that you are not a Zionist? I find it entirely inconsistent, odd and smacking of hidden agendas. I really can't fathom what is going on with that mob.

PS
Perhaps Larry Derfner seems to be an exception. Oddly enough, not withstanding his controversial comments that he made when he worked at the Jerusalem Post, I quite agreed with many of the things that he wrote at +972 (not all of course, but many).

What I mean to say is that it appears to me that at least, Larry in his own way cares about Israel as the state for the Jewish people even though he does not agree with the policies of the current Israeli government. The others though, don't even seem to agree with the very idea of Israel as we know it. They seem to clamour for some mythical utopia that is never likely to materialise. So why did they choose Israel to experiment with? I just don't get it. I mean, they don't even seem to like their fellow Jews (actually, my mistake, I shouldn't use the term 'fellow Jews' after all, they don't consider themselves to be Jewish).