1100 attacks on Israel since Cast Lead

[Mediocrates]

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=55899

Yes, the 670 rockets and 404 mortar shells fired into Israel were a violation of the "ceasefire", but the almost exclusive focus on the "ceasefire" is a fundamental flaw in the Israeli approach. Why "fundamental flaw"? Because it essentially accepts the principle that the Palestinians can do whatever they desire to increase the range, accuracy and payload of the "cocked gun" they have aimed at our collective temples - as long as they don't pull the trigger.

[farmboy]

Is there a magic number for deaths or Rockets, before Israel stops this nonsense once and for all?

[JerichoMissile]

hi farmboy, hope your having a great day, just out of curiosity, what do you mean " once and for all "??

I have an idea as to what you mean, but i would like you to explain and expand on the "once and for all" technique israel should use to stop attacks from gaza.

In my personal view there are 3 ways of stopping the rockets from gaza, once and for all.

1.) is making peace with hamas and hamas changing their ways and not wanting to destroy israel, which is 1-1Billion chance of happening.

2.) deporting all of the arab citizens of gaza into sinai or jordan.

3.) "taking care" of all the arabs in gaza, if you know what i mean.

which one were you taking about farmboy?

and i know youll say theres a 4th way, like going in with 100 tanks and taking out hamas, but we all know it wont work Long term, sure they will suffer serious
setbacks in their rocket program, but the saudis will just give hamas a few million $ to re build and attacks on israel will resume.

[farmboy]

You can't make 1.8 million arabs sit on the naughty step, thats a fact, even though they have been acting like spoiled brats for years.
A point I may raise just to clarify things, this may seem way off the subject but it is quite relevant to give a true perspective on things.
When the Germans captured Poland in around 3 weeks, they marched into Warsaw and segregated the Jews from the rest of the Poles. Poles apart we may say.
So that I don't go into pages explaining, just watch Schindlers List if you haven't already, and you will know how the Jews were treated and the restrictions imposed upon them.
Gaza was never treated like that, the arabs go about their daily routine and if it wasn't for the imams they wouldn't know that Israel even existed and wouldn't even care.
The number 4 alternative for Gaza, Judeah and Samaria is a totalitarian millitary state. Strip searches, home invasions, morning role calls, children removed from homes to teach in a propper way and troublesome adults sent to re-education camps. After a few years they would look upon the old style occupation as the good old days.
Oh! and fences, lots of fences with razor wire and big dogs with huge fangs.
Quite extreme? maybe, but there has to be some sort of middle ground that gets them to fear and respect Israel. As it is, I'm sure that they feel that Israel is weak, they need to be shown the reality.

[JerichoMissile]

what a fantastic idea farmboy, turn gaza into an actual warsaw ghetto, im sure the BBC wont exploit that at all will they?

forcing the arabs from gaza into egypt forever is the best solution Long term, sure the BBC will report it as a war crime etc... but after a few weeks of being the front page news, they will let it go, and the arabs from gaza will simply assimilate into egyptian society, and if egypt says NO we will not take any arabs from gaza, israel should simply say, you have no choice, either take all the arabs from gaza, and we will even give you $500 for each person, or we force them into egypt and we bomb cairo back to the stone age if you try and send them back, speak softly, carry an iron bar.

[dayag]

No number of defensive measures will be able to stop all attacks. I support deployment of more Iron Dome batteries, but Gaza needs to be permanently reoccupied and Hamas destroyed.

Israel will deploy a fourth battery of the Iron Dome rocket-defense system in the coming weeks, IAF Colonel Tzvika Haimovitch said on Sunday. Speaking to reporters at the location of an Iron Dome battery which is protecting the city of Ashdod, Haimovitch, who served as the commander of the IAF unit responsible for the Iron Dome, said that the system was demonstrating impressive results and "was being stretched to the max."

source: http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=261381

[Aliyah1995]

Well, apparently more than 10% of these attacks occurred in the last 48 hours. Here we go again. UGH!!!!

[Madeline]

Provocations, again and again.

[Ephraim]

Place 5 batteries of 155mm artillery around Gaza.

For every missile fire from Gaza; fire one 155m shell.

Go off a predetermined list

Automatic.

Announce to the world that you will start that policy on a certain day. Any missiles from 10am March XX will have that automatic response, no arguing, wringing of hands, political debate. Missile launch, boom.

No media event, no threats, no angst. Just pre programmed automatic response.

Move from target 1 to target 10,000 until there is no Gaza left. But ONLY after a Gazan missile launch, and only one 155mm per missile fire at Israel
Even the Arabs will figure this one out.

It would be hard to mount a media blitz against Israel on this one, because it is one for one.


No need to invade and lose more Israeli troops with a stupid "temporary" occupation and subsequent withdrawal.

[Pleepleus]

Unlikely, Ephraim. Far better to target specific terrorist leaders than indiscriminately killing noncombatants. Israel will not sink to their level.

[dayag]

This will not stop until Gaza is reoccupied and the terrorist groups hunted down and destroyed. The longer the government delays uprooting the Hamas regime, the more people will die and the more difficult it will be.

Nonstop barrage on south continues: Gaza terrorists fired more than a dozen rockets at Israel's Negev communities Monday morning, as the escalation on the country's southern border entered its fourth day.

Israel Air Force jets targeted several terror cells in Gaza Strip overnight and Monday morning. The IDF said the pilots reported hitting their marks.

source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...201574,00.html

[farmboy]

Hasmas has launched thousands of rockets, the IDF hs reciprocated hundreds of times and there is still life in Gaza. The IDF really need much bigger bombs that leave a landmark visible from the moon, where they hit. I agree with Pleepleus insofar as just killing the terrorists but what a sad lonely life for the remaining handfull, such a small percentage if we can just class them as collateral damage.

[Reffo]

I don't think there is a silver bullet solution. Israel will win this battle by out-relentlessing the relentless (Hamas and their ilk). They say they are willing to wage this war for generations, Israel has to convince them that it too is willing and able to wage this war for generations. In the meanwhile, it has to extract a heavy price from them. I agree with Pleepleus, Israel has to relentlessly target the activists by targeted killings. Israel needs to convince Gazans who want to be "heroes" by becoming active terrorists or active supporters of terrorists that they are passing death sentences on themselves. That is the way to defeat them. But it won't happen over night. Ultimately, once they see that their fight is futile and they have to pay too high a price, Gazans will get sick of sacrificing their lives without being able to show anything in return. As for Israel, it has to be patient. Hey, I know it isn't easy but look at it this way: If Jews could wait 2000 years to end their exile then this is a cinch in comparison.

[dayag]

85% of the rockets launched in the last four days intercepted! Yasher Koach Tsahal!

Is Gaza war in cards? The current round of fighting between Israel and Palestinian terror groups could prompt Israel to launch a ground operation in the Gaza Strip, a senior IDF official said Monday.

The comments were made as Gaza terror groups continued to shell southern Israel communities with dozens of rockets and mortar shells Monday.

Two such rockets were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense system over Ashkelon Monday evening. Military officials said the advanced system shot down 85% of the rockets fired from Gaza in the past four days. Meanwhile, the IDF struck several targets in Gaza, killing at least two terrorists Monday night.

The official said that Iran and the Islamic Jihad’s headquarters in Damascus “are encouraging the terrorist organization to continue the current round of rocket fire until they obtain a significant gain.”

The recent escalation in Israel’s south, which has seen more than a million residents come under heavy rocket fire, has already been described by the IDF as “unprecedented in scope.” According to the senior officer, there is “no end in sight” to the current round of fighting.

“The IDF is prepared for any development, including a situation where we are forced to launch a ground operation,” the IDF official said. “We have everything we need and are ready to step it up if needed. There are many measures that we haven’t employed yet.” ...

source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...201983,00.html

[Ephraim]

Unlikely, Ephraim. Far better to target specific terrorist leaders than indiscriminately killing noncombatants. Israel will not sink to their level.

When national survival is at stake, the collateral damage issue decreases. If Israel attacks Iranian nuke sites there will be LOTS of collateral damage; both because Iran puts civilians near their sites and you are bound to have nuclear waste spreading from the sites themselves.

Israel and Gaza remind me of the Star Trek episode back in the 1960's in which two planets kept a war going 1000 years by launching computer attacks versus real attacks (to minimize collateral damage) and those determined to be "killed" by the latest attack had to report to the extermination chamber to be zapped to death.

Very civil, very clean, and very long term.

Israel and Gaza are the same. Gaza pretends to destroy Israel with missiles and Israel invades Gaza; gets 100 soldiers killed and then pulls out; only to do the same thing again 8 years later- ad nauseum. Very civilized, very clean and very long term.