Obama: I'm Not Bluffing About Iran

[Kachah]

ngle

I never said they turned into liberal western democracies. You were acting like dictatorships are immune from being overthrown as long as they take care of their security people. And you can spin it all you like, but regardless of what regime follows, dictators were overthrown in those countries and the Iranian government is not immune..

I can't really make it clearer for you. In a nutshell, dictatorships are immune, dictators are not. If left to their devices of course. There is no spin, it's very plain and sad. And I am restricting the evolutionary periods by, say, an average human life span. In 500 years perhaps Egypt will become the beacon of liberty, I am not particularly concerned about it. What we see and have to deal with is that an Iranian "government" can be replaced by another "Iranian government" - it won't effect the regime change. Putin is different from Gorbachev or Stalin but it's the same evil empire.

Well now your posts are degenerating into insults. I'm not worth talking to because I support Obama? Osama is dead and GM is still alive (also my son has healthcare again). I guess we have a different definition of failure. Obama has my vote...

Look, I have no idea why you are trying to twist my words - but if you keep doing that you might as well argue with yourself. Where did I say that you are "not worth talking to"? I said I find arguments USELESS as of NO USE - they do not lead to anything productive or constructive ideas etc. I see people supporting Obama ideologically construed and therefore not open to objective analysis of his term in office - which has been one continuous miserable failure from the day one.

And you take exception to me saying you are calling them "uneducated mindless peasants"? I think my comment was spot on.

No, it wasn't. Read again, I have nothing to add.

[Pleepleus]

Look, I have no idea why you are trying to twist my words - but if you keep doing that you might as well argue with yourself. Where did I say that you are "not worth talking to"? I said I find arguments USELESS as of NO USE - they do not lead to anything productive or constructive ideas etc. I see people supporting Obama ideologically construed and therefore not open to objective analysis of his term in office - which has been one continuous miserable failure from the day one...

Spin, spin, spin. You are clearly saying I am not worth talking to because I am an Obama supporter.

Anyway, you are following Obama - I find it useless to argue and reason with the genuine Obama fans.

And now you are saying I am "ideologically construed and therefore not open to objective analysis of his term in office"?! Anyone who supports Obama is "not open to objective analysis"?! Like you have no ideological biases!

You call his first term a miserable failure, but I mentioned three of his successes.

[dayag]

Things are getting a little too heated. Let's discuss events and ideas and not each other.

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Thanks.