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    Russia, China join UN in backing Syria plan

    Too little, too late. People will go on dying while the Chinese and Russians water down any resolutions on Syria.

    The UN Security Council, including Russia and China, threw its weight on Wednesday behind efforts by Kofi Annan to end the bloody conflict in Syria, providing a rare moment of global unity in the face of the year-long crisis.

    In a statement approved by all its 15 members, the council threatened Syria with unspecified "further steps" if it failed to comply with Annan's peace plan, which calls for a ceasefire and demands swift access for aid agencies.

    Although the original statement was diluted at Russia's demand, editing out any specific ultimatums, the fact that all world powers signed up to the proposal dealt a serious blow to President Bashar Assad as he battles a popular uprising...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayag View Post
    Too little, too late. People will go on dying while the Chinese and Russians water down any resolutions on Syria.
    Call me cynical but these same people who are killing each other are maybe the same ones that, before this internal conflict were crying "Death to Israel".
    It's not good when Israels friends are killing each other, but when their enemies are doing it, I see little cause for complaint.
    The only downside as I see it, was that this arab spring, call it what you like, never took off in Gaza.

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    you certainly earned the "cynical" title, farmboy (to say the least)
    first of all, we really don't know the people real views about anything in a dictatorship like Syria.
    and even if it turns out that they really hate Israel and Jews, it is still a shame how the world in general, and Russia and China in particular, react to the Syrian crisis (no one expected anything good from Iran, and they didn't disappoint, of course)

    I wish Israel could do *something* to help alleviate the humanitarian situation in Syria, without taking part in the violence or without taking sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmboy View Post
    Call me cynical but these same people who are killing each other are maybe the same ones that, before this internal conflict were crying "Death to Israel".
    It's not good when Israels friends are killing each other, but when their enemies are doing it, I see little cause for complaint.
    The only downside as I see it, was that this arab spring, call it what you like, never took off in Gaza.
    There's a difference between cynicism and truth... okay, Farmboy may be a tad cynical but I have to agree, whether it is deemed cynical or not.

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    again im posting something no one here will agree with me, but if the syrians were truly desperate, they would be trying to get their refugees accross to israel as well, as the syrian border is close,
    and if they were really being massacred in their thousands, they would be saying we want anyones help, even israel please give us guns so we can defend ourselves against assads genoicde, but for some reason they dont, which means the situation in syria isnt really as bad as they say, or they would rather all die, than beg israel openly for guns.

    either way, and all those barbaric pogroms that the arabs of syria perpetrated against the syrian jews afte israels creation in 1945, i dont feel sorry for the syrains at all to be quite frank
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    FYI, Israel was "created" in 1948.
    as for the rest of your post, I fail to see the connection between the direction the Syrian refugees flee to, and the empathy we are supposed to feel (and express) to innocent civilians who come under attack of military force.

    please try to remember these two simple truths:
    1) your enemy consists of armed soldiers and armed terrorists. however, it also consists of unarmed families of men women and little children. There is a subtle distinction here...
    2) These unarmed civilians may wish for your death and for the destruction of your country (actually, my country). However, a person is tested for humanity by showing compassion and empathy for the civilians of one's enemy, not for one's own people (there is no test there)

    We can scorn the Arab civilians for wishing death to Jewish ones. We can bathe in our superior moral standards - but we must earn the right to do so.

    is it possible that the majority of Syrians simply choose to stay and fight for their cause? the minority choose to flee for their life and they have an option to flee to Turkey, Jordan, Iraq or Israel. I am sure we can understand why they don't pick Israel as first choice.

    and for heaven's sake, I though it was clear that Israel should not get involved in the armed conflict by supplying guns to any side...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharonbn View Post
    ...the minority choose to flee for their life and they have an option to flee to Turkey, Jordan, Iraq or Israel. I am sure we can understand why they don't pick Israel as first choice...
    Also, I would expect Syrian soldiers to be more concentrated along the border with Israel than the other Muslim and Arab states. The border with Israel would be more likely to be mined as well. That would be the last border I would try to sneak across.

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    Hello folks

    Regarding the holocaust, and how alot of us jews sometimes say, no one came to the jews rescue, (except a very few righteous amongst the nations i guess,) and here there is genocide on israels border and israel does nothing to stop it, from now on, us jews should never again complain about no one helping our people in europe when they were being exterminated, when israel, as the middle east superpower, sits on its hands and watches innocent syrians getting slaughtered,

    maybe not in the sane horrific ways as jews were during the holocaust, but still whats happening in syria is a horrendous war crime, and its happening on the doorstpes of the country who was built by those that survived the holocaust, and their grandchildren NOW, and yet this country (israel) is doing nothing, except maybe debating in the highest echelons in israeli govt.

    and probably not even thinking of stepping in and helping, this is the same as when the goys just stood there and watching jews being marched aways to their deaths and doing nothing.

    If israel and the IDF wanna be perfect like they demonstate all the time by the soldior being fired for hitting that goy from denmark, why dosent israel liberate the tortured souls in syria?

    just like we always complain about the vast majority 99.9% of the world doing nothing to help jews being killed during the holocaust.

    Its not like syria is nazi germany with the best army in the world, common israel show that you can liberate the syrian survivors of assads murderous campaign.
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    What is occurring in Syria is not genocide and an Israeli invasion would probably only make things worse (possibly forcing the Arab League, Turkey, and/or Iran to intervene on Syria's behalf).

    And expecting soldiers to not hit non-violent protestors in the head with a rifle butt is not asking them to be perfect.

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    What is occurring in Syria is not genocide
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    so technically the khmer rouge massacres in cambodia in the 1970's werent really genocide either, because pol pot killed his own people, he didnt specifically target an ethnic or racial group or religious minority, pol pot targeted those who were against this socialist utopian dream, like assad is targetting those against his dictatorial regime, same thing, we all know why the US and other western powers dont call it genocide, because it would mean another western failure in the histroy books to stop a new atrocity,
    whats happening in syria is the same as what happened in cambodia (without the numbers being killed yet)

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    and an Israeli invasion would probably only make things worse

    whats what the world thought about invading germany in 1939, it will only make hitler angrier, that was a failure in hindsight wasent it.

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    care to comment about israel doing nothing as tens of thousands of civillians get killed on its border, which is the same as the world doing nothing to help jews being killed during the holocaust, or is this too controvertial for you to debate pleepleus?
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    Its unbelievable what is going on, horrific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Its unbelievable what is going on, horrific.
    and yet the state of israel, whos people rose from the ashes of the holocaust and always say the world was silent as our people were murdered in the most barbaric ways known in histroy are standing by themselves as mass killings go on 100km from its very border, this truly is a shame
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    Re: Russia, China join UN in backing Syria plan

    Jericho Missile,

    I have commented on "israel doing nothing as tens of thousands of civillians get killed on its border". An Israeli invasion of Syria would make the situation worse in my opinion. And as terrible as it is, I don't believe the events occurring in Syria are on a par with the Shoah, nor with Pol Pot.

    I believe that if Israel invades Syria, it is likely that Turkey, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and maybe even Egypt would get involved and it would become a regional war. Why do you believe that these countries and groups would stand aside and do nothing as the Israeli forces occupy Syria?

    I would not even be surprised if the rebels in Syria respond to an Israeli invasion by ending their rebellion and backing Assad against the hated "Zionists". The Arabs have a saying, "Me and my brothers against my cousins, me and my cousins against the stranger".

    Israel involved itself in an Arab civil war once before in Lebanon. How did that turn out?

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    thats like saying the USA shouldnt have taken out nazi germany in 1939 because italy or russia might get involved, how did that turn out pleepleus?

    If ONLY the USA had taken out nazi germany in 1939 the world now would be completely different.

    And i guess your right on one point, the syrian arabs dont want israels help, unlike jews who were begging for the world to help them while they were trapped in europe, the syrian opposition dont want israeli help, so they should suffer at the hands of assads evil henchmen.
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    I don't believe the events occurring in Syria are on a par with the Shoah, nor with Pol Pot.

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    i didnt say they were on par, as only 9,000 syrians have been killed compared to 6,000,000 jews and about 2,000,000 cambodians during pol pots rule.

    Im saying whats happening in syria is basically the same as pol pots regime, eliminating political opponenents because they dont agree with your regime, thats on par with cambodia and syria at the moment. one was called genocide because 2,000,000 people were tortured and killed, one is not because the west dosent wanna call it that because it would be a stain in the history books that the west again has failed to stop a genocide, and because only 9,000 syrians have been killed, x it by 10 and you have genocide, even though they are all arabs, just like cambodia was branded genocide even though the victims and perpetrators were both the same ethnically and racially etc...

    respond to that point.
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